Jul 21, 2026 · 36 min · 8 segments
What does it mean to lead people who deeply value independence while recognizing that no community succeeds alone? Raised on his family's ranch in rural Wyoming, Governor Mark Gordon learned early…
Matt LehrmanHost
Across America's nearly 90,000 local governments, from cities and towns to counties and school districts, leaders are doing the work of building stronger communities.
And that work often depends on strong partnerships across every level of government.
So we also welcome state leaders whose partnership is essential to helping local communities thrive.
Here on this podcast, we explore practical lessons for leaders working to navigate complexity, earn trust, and help communities move forward together.
But I think having the humility to know you can work with one another, that's the difference between being a cowboy and a cowman.
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Across America's nearly 90,000 local governments, from cities and towns to counties and school districts, leaders are doing the work of building stronger communities.
And that work often depends on strong partnerships across every level of government.
So we also welcome state leaders whose partnership is essential to helping local communities thrive.
Here on this podcast, we explore practical lessons for leaders working to navigate complexity, earn trust, and help communities move forward together.
But I think having the humility to know you can work with one another, that's the difference between being a cowboy and a cowman.
