Success Can Actually Hurt Your Future

I think, um, maybe saying, and, and this is, you know, really in the chapter, that if we think about success and if it goes to our head, and then a failure goes to our heart, it's in those moments that leadership can get unstable really fast.

Hmm.

And so when we, when we think about marrying success and failure, which we don't do, usually we keep them in isolation.

So it's how do we celebrate success without arrogance, and how do we experience failure and not collapse?

That's good.

So when we put them together, can they hang out in the same world? And that's what this chapter talks about.

Yeah, that was the idea is, is hold success and hold failure together, right? Uh, I- I'll be honest, this felt like a kind of a, a vague, a more vague chapter.

Mm-hmm.

I agreed with everything, but I'm like, what are we really talking about here?

Hmm.

And I think that's maybe our, our problem with this book, that we really...

If we're really gonna, like, get the meat out of this book, if we're gonna, like, take all the wing bone, the wing meat off the bone, right?

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Like [laughs] that's the goal.

If we're really gonna, like, get all the, the meat off of it, we gotta, we gotta really figure out what we're talking about, like what sort of failures we're talking about, what sort of successes we're talking about.

I mean, honestly, as I was reading this, this is one of my, this is one of my theories about writing in general, is that sometimes the people with the greatest success in life are not the ones who should write the book.

Mm.

Because a lot of times when you have a ton of success, and this is kind of what he talked about, you don't evaluate why something worked.

So, you know, this person, the person who launched this revolutionary small groups approach at his church, right? Like, it just, it blew up the church overnight, right? It was incredibly successful, and so he'll tell you what he did, but he won't necessarily explain well why it worked.

Mm.

Or why it might need to be different at your church.

"Hey, just follow this, follow this approach and it's gonna work for you." And, and I think-

Mm

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so often in our churches, we read a book and you're like, dude, this person had incredible results.