Oct 21, 2026 · 44 min · 13 segments
Sometimes finding purpose in retirement is as simple as picking up the phone and calling an old friend. After decades of chasing success, it can be hard to imagine that something so small could…
Jonathan LoganGuestMichael KayHostYeah, I think that being able to look back and see the shifts in perspectives of you know what is success right and what what is it that makes my life feel complete or that i'm on the road to it feeling complete at least in in this segment right you know and it shifts and it's different and yes but I think where a lot of people run into problems, and I think men especially, is in that transition of going from A to B. I am this and now I'm that, but I don't quite know what that is.
So maybe talk a little bit about that process or the aspects of change and how we might think of it in a more open way, a more welcoming way, because we push against change, right? Of course.
I remember my wife was watching some series on TV, and when the show was over, it's like, oh, no.
We love changes that we like, that we're certain of, that we want, that we're hoping for, right? You know, those changes we like, right? So it's just the changes we don't know about, like where are we going, what's going to happen when I get there.
And it makes sense because evolutionary biology and success of humans is the ones like us that are alive today are alive because our ancestors fought change sometimes and went for the change in others.
Yeah, I think that being able to look back and see the shifts in perspectives of you know what is success right and what what is it that makes my life feel complete or that i'm on the road to it feeling complete at least in in this segment right you know and it shifts and it's different and yes but I think where a lot of people run into problems, and I think men especially, is in that transition of going from A to B. I am this and now I'm that, but I don't quite know what that is.
So maybe talk a little bit about that process or the aspects of change and how we might think of it in a more open way, a more welcoming way, because we push against change, right? Of course.
I remember my wife was watching some series on TV, and when the show was over, it's like, oh, no.
We love changes that we like, that we're certain of, that we want, that we're hoping for, right? You know, those changes we like, right? So it's just the changes we don't know about, like where are we going, what's going to happen when I get there.
And it makes sense because evolutionary biology and success of humans is the ones like us that are alive today are alive because our ancestors fought change sometimes and went for the change in others.
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