Live with Carl Cimini

And I think that's a pretty valuable resource out there for the public to keep an eye on it.

I got to ask, though, what happens if we tip? What happens if we tip over into a full oligarchy and a full authoritarian government? And it seems brutally close right now to me where— You know, you running Swamp Watch end up being a target.

When it tips, you will become a target.

I have to tell you that.

So when will it tip? Will it tip? Are there too many good people who understand the spirit of democracy? I always cite great painting, Spirit of 1776.

They knew it was always going to be about democracy.

the philosophy and the spirit of what we're about.

No literalization of these things.

It would be this interpretation, but you had to abide by what the interpretation was intended to do.

So, you know, what happens if it tips? It's a scary thought.

It is a scary thought.

And so Swamp Watch exists as part of a whole vast community of people that are attempting to do whatever they can to make sure that it doesn't.

And so, for instance, on October 17th, there will be massive mobilization again by the No Kings effort.

which has mobilized more people than any other protest movement in the history of the country, which is attempting to do pretty much the same thing that we're out here doing, which is to make sure that the rule of law abides, that democracy is enriched, and that we don't tip over into autocracy and pure oligarchy.

We know that the warning signs are there.

They're more than warning signs.

They're marshalling their forces and they're moving headlong.

But they're moving headlong into a lot of headwinds right now.

The polling indicates that Trump grows more unpopular by the week.

His agenda is underwater in almost every area, including the areas that led him to win his election.

And so if we as a public pay attention, and show solidarity among ourselves and mobilize, I think we can withstand this assault on democracy and then it won't flip over.

If it does flip over, then of course all bets are off and certainly simply educating the public about legislation isn't going to, and oversight and litigation won't do the trick, but citizen action will be required.

And at the end of the day, no autocracy, no government can function if its citizens put down their tools and say, I'm not going to do this and effectively go on strike.

It should be nonviolent and it should be massive and it should be persistent.

Yeah.