Aug 17, 2026 · 51 min · 9 segments
Donna talks with lived-experience expert Sarah Challiss to explore the unspoken realities of long-term caregiving, from the acute emotional trauma of suicide risks and end-of-life crises to the…
Sarah ChellisGuest
Donna Bentley-CarrHostshocking story because going right back to that when he said, you know, commit suicide, it's not something you expect to hear anyway at any given time.
But in somebody who was effectively mute and had been for a number of months...
And I totally understand that you wouldn't be able to find words to that in that moment.
And then the whole thing of the fact that he'd expressed that to you and then had found a way to be able to attempt that himself by shoving that almost half a banana down his throat.
And previously, he would have known to bite a small amount, chew it and swallow it.
So to your mind, it was definitely a very intentional act, wasn't it? That he'd literally shoved the whole lot down.
And then, like you say, that whole sort of thing around carers being on constant alert, that 24-7 monitoring and listening out and never really being able to relax.
You know, you were in the kitchen making cauliflower cheese, but you knew instinctively you had that gut feeling, you were listening out, it didn't sound quite right, and you were straight in there.
And then, like you say, the whole thing of you putting your hands in his mouth and, you know, the fact that that obviously scratched... you know the inside of his palate or something and then you've got blood you know you have to be really careful with somebody's out of
yeah exactly so there's all of that which it's all right in hindsight then thinking about it but in the moment you

just do it don't you do what comes naturally you do whatever it takes but the weird thing was i mean snail i managed to hoik him back up because he was twice my size at that time and i hoiked him up And my hands were visibly shaking.

I just said to Neil, because what do you say after you've just brought somebody back from dinner? I just said, cauliflower cheese, Neil.
shocking story because going right back to that when he said, you know, commit suicide, it's not something you expect to hear anyway at any given time.
But in somebody who was effectively mute and had been for a number of months...
And I totally understand that you wouldn't be able to find words to that in that moment.
And then the whole thing of the fact that he'd expressed that to you and then had found a way to be able to attempt that himself by shoving that almost half a banana down his throat.
And previously, he would have known to bite a small amount, chew it and swallow it.
So to your mind, it was definitely a very intentional act, wasn't it? That he'd literally shoved the whole lot down.
And then, like you say, that whole sort of thing around carers being on constant alert, that 24-7 monitoring and listening out and never really being able to relax.
You know, you were in the kitchen making cauliflower cheese, but you knew instinctively you had that gut feeling, you were listening out, it didn't sound quite right, and you were straight in there.
And then, like you say, the whole thing of you putting your hands in his mouth and, you know, the fact that that obviously scratched... you know the inside of his palate or something and then you've got blood you know you have to be really careful with somebody's out of
yeah exactly so there's all of that which it's all right in hindsight then thinking about it but in the moment you

just do it don't you do what comes naturally you do whatever it takes but the weird thing was i mean snail i managed to hoik him back up because he was twice my size at that time and i hoiked him up And my hands were visibly shaking.

I just said to Neil, because what do you say after you've just brought somebody back from dinner? I just said, cauliflower cheese, Neil.
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