Sep 18, 2026 · 1 hr 12 min · 12 segments
In 1976 Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak founded Apple. In 1985 Jobs was forced out of Apple after a dramatic corporate power struggle. He immediately founded NeXT, another computer company that built…
Geoffrey CainGuest
Kevin HudakHost
David KopecHostDavid ShortHost
Yeah, and even though, you know, I think the deadlines are fantasy and it was just shocking to read in your book just, you know, about how much setting inappropriate deadlines can really screw you, right? Because then you have a too expensive product with last year's technology and processing speed But even though there was the fantasy of the deadlines, it did seem like what Next was doing was indeed quite revolutionary.
My wife's family is Armenian, and I love the story of A.V. Tavanian and the microkernel.
And can you tell us a little bit about why was Next, why was the hardware, why was the software so revolutionary in its own right?
But this is a great example of how the strengths of any person are also their weaknesses.
So a magnesium cube that was painted in this perfect black magnesium, an extremely exotic alloy metal, something that looked really nice as a museum piece that held up well.
It's extremely costly to manufacture because it requires these entirely new manufacturing lines.
And then on top of that, Steve wanted to not only build the computer, but make it all in-house at his personal factory in Fremont, California.
And because it was a cube and because it had this special black paint that you can't find in many places, it had all kinds of special quirks and installations.
Yeah, and even though, you know, I think the deadlines are fantasy and it was just shocking to read in your book just, you know, about how much setting inappropriate deadlines can really screw you, right? Because then you have a too expensive product with last year's technology and processing speed But even though there was the fantasy of the deadlines, it did seem like what Next was doing was indeed quite revolutionary.
My wife's family is Armenian, and I love the story of A.V. Tavanian and the microkernel.
And can you tell us a little bit about why was Next, why was the hardware, why was the software so revolutionary in its own right?
But this is a great example of how the strengths of any person are also their weaknesses.
So a magnesium cube that was painted in this perfect black magnesium, an extremely exotic alloy metal, something that looked really nice as a museum piece that held up well.
It's extremely costly to manufacture because it requires these entirely new manufacturing lines.
And then on top of that, Steve wanted to not only build the computer, but make it all in-house at his personal factory in Fremont, California.
And because it was a cube and because it had this special black paint that you can't find in many places, it had all kinds of special quirks and installations.
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