Geoffrey Cain

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Joining us for more on this discussion, Geoffrey Cain, author of The Perfect Police State, An Investigation into China's Surveillance Dystopia, and also the author of Steve Jobs in Exile, The Untold Story of Next and the Remaking of an American Visionary.

Geoffrey Cain, thanks for joining us.

Appreciate it.

Good to be here again,

And a lot of it does hinge on big tech because they're really over leveraged with their debts, with their investments.

But a lot of it depends on them continuing to build stronger AI.

Geoffrey Cain is the author of The Perfect Police State, An Investigation into China's Surveillance Dystopia.