Sep 14, 2026 · 28 min · 10 segments
Dr. Santarvis Brown, educator, pastor, author, and Chief Education Officer at ProQ, joins Michael D. Levitt on the Breakfast Leadership Show for a powerful conversation about leading with purpose…
Michael D. LevittHost
Santarvis BrownGuestI, I tell people, even if you improve yourself or impact the world one percent today, if you do that every day, you've almost four X'd your impact in a year.
It's like, what does that look like? What would that look like? And all of a sudden it, it starts to sink in.
It's-- And, and I tell people this a lot, you know, one of my favorite leadership books is The Tortoise and the Hare because it's a reminder that, yeah, we can bounce around and be...
And I know you, you ha- you talk about this in your book, but you can have this chaos going on, or you can slow and steady, you know, have some systems in place and-
... and go about it and, you know, and, and look around and see what the environment looks like, adjust accordingly, and then continue on.
And then next thing you know, you've accomplished your goal and you go, "Okay, what did I learn from this?" And I find that a lot of people, and I wanna jump back on something you said a moment ago too, but before I forget, I'm gonna say this.
I think a lot of people don't take time to, one, celebrate their victories, or secondly, you know, look at it and go, "Okay, why did we win? Why was this successful? What did we do, and can we repeat that? What are some lessons that we've learned from this?" And I, I think it's a lost opportunity for a lot of people.
But you-- a moment ago, you had mentioned, you know, how you help people become the best version of themselves, and I find, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, I find a lot of people really don't know who they are.
It's like yourself, like, "I don't know who I am, but I get up every morning and I, I wanna make the world better." But I think a lot of people don't know who they are, but not in a, you know, situation where I'm, you know, I'm gonna do the best I can kind of thing.
But I, I encounter it a lot when I say, "Well, you know what? Let's, let's look within," and they go, "I don't wanna go there." Like, okay, there's something there that they don't wanna deal with or they're afraid of, or past traumas.

So, you know, in, in my very first leadership book I wrote, it's called Leading While Limping, and it basically [sighs] forces the leader to look inside to understand who they are and what they, what they bring to the table.

And I, I, I tell people all the time, as an effective leader, you have to know what your bang-ups and hang-ups are because if you don't, you can bang up or hang up someone else.

And for me, I think the scariest part about introspectively looking from any person's vantage point is you have to confront yourself without any filters, any mask, and you are staring in the face probably the most hard, hardest person to lead and hardest person to deal with and, and work with yourself sometimes.

And, and that causes people intrepidation and hesitation because you can fake it until you make it, but it-- with other people, but with yourself you can't.
Yeah, and that's, that's so true because, and I tell people this all the time, if they have, you know, difficulty with themselves, I remind them and say, "Look, you, you gotta figure out a way and work through whatever you-- and get help however it, however you want to.
You know, whatever makes sense for you to reach out to get the help that you need because you need to figure out a way to love yourself because you're never gonna spend any more time with anybody on this planet beside yourself.
You're always there." And you get along-- If you get along with yourself, yeah, I mean, we're gonna make mistakes.
I, I tell people, even if you improve yourself or impact the world one percent today, if you do that every day, you've almost four X'd your impact in a year.
It's like, what does that look like? What would that look like? And all of a sudden it, it starts to sink in.
It's-- And, and I tell people this a lot, you know, one of my favorite leadership books is The Tortoise and the Hare because it's a reminder that, yeah, we can bounce around and be...
And I know you, you ha- you talk about this in your book, but you can have this chaos going on, or you can slow and steady, you know, have some systems in place and-
... and go about it and, you know, and, and look around and see what the environment looks like, adjust accordingly, and then continue on.
And then next thing you know, you've accomplished your goal and you go, "Okay, what did I learn from this?" And I find that a lot of people, and I wanna jump back on something you said a moment ago too, but before I forget, I'm gonna say this.
I think a lot of people don't take time to, one, celebrate their victories, or secondly, you know, look at it and go, "Okay, why did we win? Why was this successful? What did we do, and can we repeat that? What are some lessons that we've learned from this?" And I, I think it's a lost opportunity for a lot of people.
But you-- a moment ago, you had mentioned, you know, how you help people become the best version of themselves, and I find, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, I find a lot of people really don't know who they are.
It's like yourself, like, "I don't know who I am, but I get up every morning and I, I wanna make the world better." But I think a lot of people don't know who they are, but not in a, you know, situation where I'm, you know, I'm gonna do the best I can kind of thing.
But I, I encounter it a lot when I say, "Well, you know what? Let's, let's look within," and they go, "I don't wanna go there." Like, okay, there's something there that they don't wanna deal with or they're afraid of, or past traumas.

So, you know, in, in my very first leadership book I wrote, it's called Leading While Limping, and it basically [sighs] forces the leader to look inside to understand who they are and what they, what they bring to the table.

And I, I, I tell people all the time, as an effective leader, you have to know what your bang-ups and hang-ups are because if you don't, you can bang up or hang up someone else.

And for me, I think the scariest part about introspectively looking from any person's vantage point is you have to confront yourself without any filters, any mask, and you are staring in the face probably the most hard, hardest person to lead and hardest person to deal with and, and work with yourself sometimes.

And, and that causes people intrepidation and hesitation because you can fake it until you make it, but it-- with other people, but with yourself you can't.
Yeah, and that's, that's so true because, and I tell people this all the time, if they have, you know, difficulty with themselves, I remind them and say, "Look, you, you gotta figure out a way and work through whatever you-- and get help however it, however you want to.
You know, whatever makes sense for you to reach out to get the help that you need because you need to figure out a way to love yourself because you're never gonna spend any more time with anybody on this planet beside yourself.
You're always there." And you get along-- If you get along with yourself, yeah, I mean, we're gonna make mistakes.
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