Jun 15, 2026 · 27 min · 11 segments
This insightful interview features conservation experts Dominic Mutali, working at Mugie Wildlife Conservancy in Laikipia, and Derek Wanjala from Save the Elephants in Tsavo, discussing their work in…
Dominic MutaliGuest
Derick WanjalaGuestDougluxHostThe threats to wildlife have changed, and we remain to be adaptable people as Kenyans and Africans.
Poaching was the biggest threat to not just elephants, but other endangered species that we worked so hard to protect.
But there's this animal in the room or the elephant in the room called human elephant conflict, which is often discussed in statistics.
But what does it look, actually look like on the ground? What are some of the realities that communities face when sharing space with these gentle giants? And why is it important that conservation starts with understanding those lived experiences before bringing in the solutions and, of course, working with the communities? So, um, can, can you both take us through that and your experiences?
Like, when you go to the ground, that's when you will, you will understand the real issues when it comes to human elephant conflict.
But now trying to understand the main, like, the drivers of this conflict and also trying to understand, uh, some of the mitigation measures, that's when at least you can try and encourage, uh, the coexistence.
Because we've seen some areas, uh, people reporting issues concerning with human elephant conflict, but not trying to understand what is the main cause, what is the type of HEC coming from.
So with us around that, trying to understand all this, that's when we can come together and try to under- discuss what can be the solution towards mitigating such challenges.
The threats to wildlife have changed, and we remain to be adaptable people as Kenyans and Africans.
Poaching was the biggest threat to not just elephants, but other endangered species that we worked so hard to protect.
But there's this animal in the room or the elephant in the room called human elephant conflict, which is often discussed in statistics.
But what does it look, actually look like on the ground? What are some of the realities that communities face when sharing space with these gentle giants? And why is it important that conservation starts with understanding those lived experiences before bringing in the solutions and, of course, working with the communities? So, um, can, can you both take us through that and your experiences?
Like, when you go to the ground, that's when you will, you will understand the real issues when it comes to human elephant conflict.
But now trying to understand the main, like, the drivers of this conflict and also trying to understand, uh, some of the mitigation measures, that's when at least you can try and encourage, uh, the coexistence.
Because we've seen some areas, uh, people reporting issues concerning with human elephant conflict, but not trying to understand what is the main cause, what is the type of HEC coming from.
So with us around that, trying to understand all this, that's when we can come together and try to under- discuss what can be the solution towards mitigating such challenges.
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