EP27: Torry Cook, Family Bust Up

Yeah, and it really makes you wonder what makes these coyotes trigger on one, you know, one type of sound one day and then, you know, complete other spectrum of sound the next day.

Yeah, you know, I don't know what it is.

They just seem to be...

I think part of it's just individual coyotes that you run into and they're in a certain frame of mind, but I can't explain why day two, every coyote came to prey distress and on day one, we ran those same prey distress sounds, didn't have a single coyote that came in on those same prey distress sounds that we ran on day two.

Every coyote on day one was vocals.

So I don't know what... what for sure is causing that where you see all of one and all of, or all of the other.

Day three was more typical to where you're getting a variety of, you know, you're playing a variety of sounds and you're getting call-ins on, you know, some of all of them.

That's more your typical setup.

But you will have those periods of time where, for whatever reason, it seems like one sound or two sounds are just, that is what they are tripping.

Sometimes it's a one-day deal, sometimes it's a few hours, sometimes it's several days.

And then all of a sudden that sound quits working and you need to go back to something else.

But that's going back to the point I made earlier.

That's why the just play the rabbit or just howl only, both of those are bad ideas if you want to kill the most goats and stay on top of... you know what's what's working all the time you got to play all of the sounds you know and and see what's uh what the couch you're gonna trigger on

and i'll i'll never not say it this sound since i don't know it would have to be since february or march it's never not worked since then mom and dad done call has been insane this year

Hey, mom and dad didn't call.

On that post, mom and dad didn't call was in there as one of the sounds.

And that's those true, and that's something we'll probably get into on this podcast because it goes right along with family bust up and it goes right along with some misleading information that's going around in the predator world right now as far as social interaction sounds go.

Mom and dad didn't call is a perfect example of what I would call social interaction.

And just a little background, if people don't know where social interaction come from, social interaction was not a category.

You rewind just a few years back, you didn't hear about social interaction as a standalone category.

When I started raising coyote pups, I started noticing that when everything from little bitty pups all the way up to the adults in a family group, they will bust up, split up, especially during family bust up, But anytime throughout that pup rearing process when those coyotes separate, and that's the key word right there, separate, they have to be able to separate and get distance and time apart.

And when that happens and those coyotes come back together, that's when the social interaction sounds that are in the mfk library in the social interaction category that's when they were recorded and what i noticed while watching those live coyote pups interact and the adults as well is when they would separate and then they would come back together oftentimes it would be after howling and they would come back together you would have those what i called meet and greet type social sounds and so Several years before social interaction was recognized as a mainstream category, I added it to the MFK library.

Sounds like submissive beggar, submissive tap out, a lot of those sounds that had submissive in it, good stuff, garble garble, all of those sounds, they were recorded and every one of them were those type sounds where coyotes separate, come back together, pick and order stuff.

And when they come back together, they immediately, know reconnect and that pecking established and you'll get those subtle real close contact interaction sounds along with that you will get the communication sounds where they're calling to each other like the mom and dad didn't call where that is adult coyotes calling the pups but again you have that separation where the adults are not right there at the den with the pups, then they come back and they'll call to those pups, call them out of the den.

You'll also have what I've started calling traveling communication, which also falls into that same category because it's real close range communication.