Against The Grain with Albee Layer and Jack Freestone
Jul 13, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 10 segments
Inside stories from the biggest jaws contest day ever. Mindset, and overcoming fear. Gain some insights from one of the best big wave surfers in the world Albee Layer as he unpacks some wisdom. x
Albee LayerHost
Jack FreestoneHost
okay well let's let's segue into that what what is what is some stuff you wanted to speaking of the shane dorian episode what was some stuff that you wanted to cover

well first of all i thought it was cool but okay i have a question for you do you not feel like shane um is this just a total narcissistic thing on my part do you feel like he has a hard time complimenting me except for and especially at jaws I feel like you had to really back him into a corner to say anything nice.


And it's funny because I usually, you know, I pride myself on not caring too much about what people say and think.

Like, Shane's... probably the godfather of jaws in a way and you are the next generation behind that i think there's a compliment in there when he put you as like one of the top three he just never navigated as to who's one who's two who's three he was kind of like on the like just neutral about everything he wasn't bagging people he wasn't complimenting people that's kind of how i felt

like i said your perspective's probably way different because you're closer to it

And I'm not here to say I am the best, but I have been the best a couple of years, especially recently.

okay well let's let's segue into that what what is what is some stuff you wanted to speaking of the shane dorian episode what was some stuff that you wanted to cover

well first of all i thought it was cool but okay i have a question for you do you not feel like shane um is this just a total narcissistic thing on my part do you feel like he has a hard time complimenting me except for and especially at jaws I feel like you had to really back him into a corner to say anything nice.


And it's funny because I usually, you know, I pride myself on not caring too much about what people say and think.

Like, Shane's... probably the godfather of jaws in a way and you are the next generation behind that i think there's a compliment in there when he put you as like one of the top three he just never navigated as to who's one who's two who's three he was kind of like on the like just neutral about everything he wasn't bagging people he wasn't complimenting people that's kind of how i felt

like i said your perspective's probably way different because you're closer to it

And I'm not here to say I am the best, but I have been the best a couple of years, especially recently.
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