Yeah.

So eventually I became a joiner.

I, uh, did, served me time, and then I was putting a roof on in the snow one day and I thought, "This is not good.

I really don't want to be doing this when I'm 45." So I spent 11 years, and a lot of money, um, getting my RICS.

Um, and, um, in the meantime, when I was at college, one of the lecturers, Bill Challenger as it happens-

Yeah.

So y- y- they, they'd be gone in two years.

In two years the builders, sorry, the, um, insurers have a, will have a, a list of people they can rely on.

only people that's going to make money out of that are the barristers.

I went to Leeds Court.

We were prosecuting somebody for a contravention and we had a 10-page document and I knew every word on it.

I'd looked at it that often.

You thought you did.

And of course you get in the dock and you don't even know your own name.

And the best bit of this one was...

is much higher then.

It's a data dump, isn't it? Yeah.

Stick into the fire thing that Eric started.

I'll carry on if you don't mind.

I worked on probably every one of the big shopping centres in this country and the one I worked on most was the Trafford Centre.

I worked from turning the first sod till the day it opened and I worked for Trafford Council on I'm being building control and when we first started we were sat on a big desk like this, thousands and thousands of drawings and we're going through checking them all and we came across a mall and we've got these all these fantastic glazed screens on the mall and they're there as smoke curtains so I'm looking at them thinking wow I've never seen smoke curtains in laminated glass that's new to me And I thought, nah, can't be right there.

So I brought it up and I explained to them, I don't think it's right.

You know, when that peaks up, the UVB interlayer will decompose and the glass will be on the floor in a big heap.

Warrington.

It's a data dump, isn't it? Yeah.

Sticking to the fire thing that Eric started, I'll carry on if you don't mind.

I worked on probably every one of the big shopping centres in this country.

And the one I worked on most was the Trafford Centre.

I worked from turning the first sod till the day it opened.

and I worked for Trafford Council on building control and when we first started we were sat on a big desk like this, thousands and thousands of drawings and we're going through checking them on we came across a mall and we've got these all these fantastic glazed screens on the mall and they're there as smoke curtains So I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, wow, I've never seen smoke curtains in laminated glass.

That's new to me.

Point fixing.