Yeah

... and do all sorts of that kind of stuff.

So when I left school, I naturally wanted to be in construction, and I was lucky enough to get a job as a joiner, which was great.

But then something really strange happened because, uh, the lecturer at college decided that I knew something.

And myself and another guy that, Pete Shaw that you know, we got picked, go and talk to building control, and we became trainee surveyors.

We went through that process.

When I finished ...

if a youngster asked me, I'm saying, yeah, RICS.

What were you in the High Court

for? So it was on a litigation thing.

Well, obviously, in court, it would be litigation, I suppose.

It was for an illegal repossession by a bank of a property.

And the property owner's barrister had luckily great fun, but almost by mistake.

And he said, I've made some very bold statements in my report, including how would I, he couldn't see any structural calculations, how would I assess that all the timbers had exceeded their bending moment in the roof frame? To which my answer was, they bent.

And he said, thank you, no further questions.

It's nothing to do with that.

Let's

go.

Okay.

1996, the summer of, the IRA blew up Manchester City Centre, blew up the Arndale Centre.

It was pretty much a, well, let's call it a handful, ammonium nitrate fuel oil, although it was sugar, not fuel oil.

About, probably about five ton, which is equivalent to about three ton of TNT.

It was a hot summer's day.

Oh, it's

Let's

go.

Okay.

1996, the summer of, the IRA blew up Manchester City Centre, blew up the Arndale Centre.

It was pretty much a, well, let's call it a handful, ammonium nitrate fuel oil, although it was sugar, not fuel oil.

About, probably about five ton, which is equivalent to about three ton of TNT.

It was a hot summer's day.

Oh, it's fantastic