Do you get to reuse some of the existing ductwork or piping or anything? Or does it have to be kind of, I mean, how invasive is it for the typical project?

complicated question, which probably requires an entire new podcast episode just on the installation, but we'll, we'll take it short.

We'll take it.

I'll take it as briefly and as detailed as possible at the same time.

So it helps if I sort of talk about two projects separately.

So at SU, you know, the goal of the hydro pod is to be as minimally invasive as possible.

Now we all know that there must be some interior work of some kind that needs to happen in order to particularly install the distribution side of these systems.

And air

Can you talk to me about combining all of these experiences you have into this show?

100%.

Yeah, I mean, I was, the CIA thing was just me doing what a million other people did after 9-11 and trying to help in some way possible, and I was just trying to do that.

But first of all, one of the obvious effects of it is this is a show where we say the word fuck a lot.

I apologize if that's a thing.

I think we can say it here.

The show says it.

Like, how do you create those different modes of not having fear?

There's some deeply messed up stuff in

there.

Yes, there are deeply messed up stuff.

But also, it's just like, as a story, if you were to sit down and just read it, it's a chore.

I don't want anyone to be like, oh my god.

If you're a comic book fan, you can give the DKR to somebody.

The story still works, even though it's 30 years later.

I

So I gotta know the origins of this.

When James Gunn first sort of got the, got the call to do it, he assembled sort of this little writer's room of, of ours.

It was just incredible people.

And we were just...

It was just sky's the limit.

What, what can we do? Like, like how can we make something awesome? How can we make superheroes awesome again? And, uh, Green Lanterns came to the table, and I think I threw out something as simple as like, we just should do, like, True Detective Green Lantern, Training Day Green Lantern.

Like, something grounded and real about partners working together, and that was, it was, that was it.

I love it.

Okay.

I...

There was...

When Gunn was first, um, doing his, uh, just what can we do with the DC Universe idea, he assembled a, a, a sort of writer's room, and architects, there were sort of different names of it.

Uh, it was, like, six of us, um, at Peter's house with a whiteboard saying, "What's the limit of this? What can we do? What can't we do?" And literally just throwing out ideas, what would work, what would work.

And, you know, we were talking about different ways to make shows and, and, and, and we talked about, like, how we could do an HBO show and, and HBO's done amazing shows.

Of course, my, my, my one's a True Detective, one of my favorite shows.

What about for you, Damon and Tom? And Tom, you've worked on, you know, a comic for it.

All

right.

All right, Dave.

So I want to do this.

You can object.

I want this to be a conversation.

So you take this wherever you want.

Yes.

And Tom, whether you wanted to kick us off with this?

Well, so Dice kind of started as just me and Hodgie back in 2020.

I just moved out to a share house, like literally a month before COVID hit.

And so we couldn't work or anything.

So Hodgie, well, I was working from home, but Hodgie wasn't working.

He'd come out and just hang out with me during the day.

And I'd kind of just like slack off work and just We'd just drink beers and play pool.

And Tom, do you want to talk about the instrumentation?

And Tom, your turn.

I guess I had a slightly more conventional route into Hiscox.

I was actually working up in the city for a shipping management company.

They had a joint venture with a broker, so quite early on in that role, my first role out of university, I had the opportunity of going into Lloyd's.

And whereas James didn't see the flood lee, I saw the flood lee on the ground floor of Lloyd's there.

And actually, when I decided after a couple of years in that role that I wanted to pivot into more insurance focus, Hiscox was one of those standout companies.

Having seen them front and center at Lloyd's, all the exciting things they were doing, I actually applied for the graduate scheme here.

Yeah, the ones that work.

Do you remember it well?

How can I forget it? Yes.

For us, strangely enough, it started earlier in the year.

We arrested a chap called Kevin Mallon, who was in jail then by October of that year.

And that's when Marion Coyle wanted to be freed.

As you know, he was kidnapped on the 3rd of October.

It was a nationwide search.

Okay.

What do you think? Beat, raise, or miss? I will ask you, what do you put the odds for a dividend from Novo Nordisk coming into this quarter? Do you have any thoughts on the odds?

Well, in terms of the possibility of a miss, I would probably put that a little bit higher than for Eli Lilly.

Novo Nordisk has been on the back for a little bit the last couple of years.

They've got a new CEO.

They've been having some struggles with various things.

So just for that reason, I would rank the possibility of a miss slightly higher.

And the same sort of logic applies to the initiation of that dividend.

So let me ask you, were you surprised? Were you delighted? What did you see?