What is your assessment on all the evidence being presented so far? What is your assessment of this case?

Conspiracy theorists will always be with us, and I, I wonder [clears throat] where that comes from.

I think people simply do not want to believe the facts because I find them very straightforward.

Now let's just start with the fact that the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, um, had access to his grandfather's Mauser 006.

So what am I supposed to think? That someone else got Tyler Robinson's grandpa's shotgun, his gun, and then sneaks to the event to gun down Charlie Kirk? Well, who? Who would that be? Let's just start with that straightforward argument because very often, and you and I have talked about this before, when you get into scientific theories...

Uh, let's just go with tot mom, Casey Anthony, for a moment.

A lot of scientific evidence was brought, um, that there was decompo- decomposition air in tot mom's trunk where the body was kept.

Mm.

I don't think you're getting many conservatives in that jury pool.

Well, I know one thing firsthand now.

I know how Tiffany can give an amazing and mesmerizing speech.

That was amazing, what you just said, and much of it true.

But that is not the issue that brings us here today.

The issue today is Lindsay Clancy and what happened to her three children.

Was she not guilty by reason of insanity at the time she murdered them? That she murdered them is not an issue.

And for him to say that is so over the top and beyond the pale to me.

I'll call you Miss Sweet Potato because I know what a loving, kind mother you are and human being you are and how compassionate you are.

I tell myself all of that over and over to steel myself against attacks.

I do what I do and have done ever since Keith was murdered because I believe.

I believe if you sit by... and do nothing when others have been mistreated, have been raped, have been assaulted, have been killed, then you are part of the problem.

And more important, I have watched over the years when children or infants are the victims of violent crime and seemingly punishments are lesser when children are the victims, especially in murders, because they're not there to be heard.

No one is representing the three victims in this case.

So Mr. Reddington can say whatever he wishes about me, but let me address the facts of this case.

Go ahead.

I want your thoughts on all of it.

Well, number one, thank you for inviting me.

This is a topic very near to my heart because I am a mother of two, which has changed my world.

I never thought I could be as happy as I have been in the last eighteen years raising my children.

My alter identity as, as a felony prosecutor where I represent people like Dawson, Callan, and Cora.

So I must say I am not torn about this case because the law is clear.

Whether we like the law or not, the law is if you had intent to kill, you are responsible.

Am I wrong?

So if you could jump in, though, and take on at least, let's say, Anthony's case here, what would you do? I always feel like you have the solution.

Well, I think that there was so much evidence.

I feel that it got away from the state, the evidence itself.

And it became a very complicated case, bogged down in science and autopsy and medical reports.

I remember when I would have a homicide case, I would go, and I'm sure we'd drive them crazy, and drive my beat-up Honda to the M.A.' 's office, the morgue, and sit down with the doctor, which I'm sure they thought they didn't have time for me.

and go through every single line of the autopsy report and say, what's a hematoma? And they'd say, it's a bruise.

And I would say, well, could we then say bruise, please? Because remember, we're not doctors.

Why are there so many high-profile cases that just seem to go sideways? Is it like you say that there's complicated lingo or there's just too much involved? Is it lawyers, juries? That's

What exactly do you mean by that?

I said early on in the search for Nancy Guthrie, and still stand by my claim that vehicles will be extremely important in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

Nancy Guthrie did not walk away from her home.

She didn't leave on a bicycle.

She didn't leave on foot.

She didn't leave on a go-kart or unicycle.

She had to be put in a vehicle and taken somewhere.

How planned was this kidnapping, do you think?

How planned was this kidnapping, do you think?

I have said that Ms. Guthrie's kidnapping was a planned attack.

That's very obvious.

Number one, she was singled out.

There were plenty of people in that neighborhood that could have been kidnapped.

Why her? Most likely because she has what people perceive to be a wealthy daughter.

She lived alone.

So do you think this kidnapping was carried out by porch guy alone?

What exactly do you mean by that?

I said early on in the search for Nancy Guthrie, and still stand by my claim, that vehicles will be extremely important in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

Nancy Guthrie did not walk away from her home.

She didn't leave on a bicycle.

She didn't leave on foot.

She didn't leave on a go-kart or unicycle.

She had to be put in a vehicle and taken somewhere.

How planned was this kidnapping, do you think?

Mm-hmm

... are, and make a jump, and go, and don't look back.

Keith, uh, my fiancé, was murdered just before our wedding while I was in a statistics exam at Mercer University.

I dropped out of school.

Um, they may say, "Let me come back." He was on baseball scholarship where I first went to college at Valdosta State, then college, now university.

And [laughs] here's a funny story.

No one in my family had ever gone to college, um, uh, graduated.

Mm

What do we call that?

We call that a pattern.

Uh, that is borne out by all my years of investigating and prosecuting repeat felonies, serial killers, serial rapists, serial child molestation, serial arson, which is very difficult to prove.

Sean, in preparation for talking with you and Nicole today, I had the opportunity to speak to a former British intelligence officer, Frank Milburn, who knew Amy Eskridge very well.

She is one of the scientists.

Uh, she in particular was working on anti-gravity jet propulsion.

And what is that? [laughs] Okay.

A number of the other people that are gone are connected to him.

Welcome back to TMZ Live, Nancy.

Thank you for inviting me, Harvey.

I noticed you're focusing a lot on the alleged killer.

And you're saying nothing about this teen girl.

Anna Kepner, let me remind everybody, this little girl, scrubbed in sunshine, had set to be graduating this month, part of 11, this month, in a few days, from Tidesville Christian School.

She had planned to join the Navy to get through college.

be in the Navy and then ultimately in law enforcement handling canines.

bail? The fact that they let him out on bail?

Oh, my gosh!

Left my job, just walked out, and then didn't go back to my job in the library.

Yes, I worked in a library.

It was my dream job.

Laugh if you wish, but I loved it, and I just, I wasted away.

So just imagine a family member, a part of this, and they see Savannah, and Cameron, and Annie begging and crying.

Annie was sitting there like she couldn't even...

If the person had wanted to kill her, uh, why would they had not have killed her on the property, in the house at the time? If it was a burglary that was botched, uh, what was taken from the home? We've never gotten any information that that happened.

I'm gonna be very blunt: I probably wor-- woke up six, seven times last night just to check the news and see what was happening, in the hopes that I might wake up and hear that they believe they've apprehended the person or persons responsible, and that didn't happen.

Same.

All of our hopes were dashed this morning when we realized that this guy, Carlos Palazuelos, had been released.

Catched and released, and it really got to me.

It really galled me when he's whining, "They held me against my will.

They didn't even read me my rights." Well, that's because you weren't arrested.

Miranda rights are triggered when you are arrested.

in more detail, a lot later.

This is very valuable to us, and we will pay." Uh, I, I think you agree with me that that likely was written in coordination with law enforcement, right?

Well, I know Savannah, and Savannah can ad-lib off the top of her head.

She couldn't do her job on the Today Show if she couldn't roll with the punches, because you don't know what the guest might say.

It's not all scripted.

But I saw her, I was watching her, and she, she made a statement, and then she looked down and paused, and she was looking at a script.

It was scripted.

N- not necessarily this one, where she's begging for our help, but where she was saying, "We will pay." And you're right, when I heard celebrate, I first thought celebration of life, and my stomach just clenched, because I thought she believes her mom is dead.

It was not pleasant.

Ugh, terrible

... situation.

This little girl.

But you know what? I'm not a Democrat or a Republican.

I am an American, and I do not like victims being preyed upon.

That said, when there is a high-profile case like Nancy Guthrie, it brings attention to the fact that crime knows no boundaries.

You can be rich, you can be poor, you can be white, you can be Black, you can be Hispanic, you can be a woman, you can be a child, it doesn't matter.

I, I, I, I'm hopeful that technology is gonna lead us to the person responsible for this, and, um, it, it does give me hope that we keep advancing technologically, that they may have tools that they didn't have five years ago.

[laughs]

[laughs] Therefore, n- I'm telling you that up front because I want to believe what I'm about to say, and that can cloud, cloud your judgment.

I want to believe that Nancy Guthrie, Savannah's mother, is alive.

I don't want Savannah to put, put- be put through the pain that so many other crime victims endure.

So I'm looking at the facts in a certain way, and that is this: When I first heard that there was DNA and it had been matched to Nancy Guthrie, I immediately thought that it was blood, because that's an easily, easily identifiable DNA source.

You're not gonna just suddenly see perspiration or, you know, i- i- some other DNA matter.

So I knew it was blood.

... to the love of your life.

But my question for you is, why did Bryan focus so many of the stabbings on their face, scalp, and neck area?

Annie, again, thank you for inviting me.

That is a question the prosecution does not have to answer at trial, the question why.

That goes to motive.

The state is never required to prove motive because it asks the prosecutor to go into the mind of literally an evil killer.

A lot of people don't use the word evil or the devil or Satan, but I think that all of that is personified in Bryan Kohberger.

Why did he do what he did? We'll never know, but I can tell you this, Annie.

However, based on your knowledge and what you have been covering and looking into, do you think that Michael was there casing the area, getting familiar, or do you think he was intending to actually kill them 24 days earlier?

Yeah, magical.

Magical.

Um, so we drove up Tuesday, spent the night, whatever.

Wednesday's the concert.

Go to the concert, pre-game.

We're a bunch of bartenders.

Like, we're pre-gaming, we're having fun, and during the concert, I'm recording hoping, like, "Oh my god, maybe I'll get up there," so hopeful.

But you went to bed thinking, like, "Oh my God, what a weird, sketchy couple." Anyways, and then when you found out that they were the CEO and, like, head of HR, did you lose your goddamn mind?

Oh, boy.

Some of the wounds, according to experts, not me, experts, medical examiners, death investigators, at least one, if not more wounds were administered post-mortem, after death, after her heart stopped beating.

Why? They did not bleed.

If you're dead and you're lying there and I stab you, it's not going to bleed because your heart's not pumping blood anymore.

At least one, if not two wounds were post-mortem, Megan.

It's impossible for this to be suicide.

Now, I do not, um, impugn perjury or, uh, nefarious intent on anyone yet.

Did it, didn't it have to be her or her fiance?