Who else? What'd you guys think about Julie?

Mine's more similar to yours, and I think yours too will be.

I thought, okay, this is how I feel about it.

When you only have certain tragedies in your life, that is the biggest tragedy you've ever had.

And it's really difficult for those people who have had bigger tragedies to say, oh, and to really relate to her.

That's where I struggled, is relating to her.

Like, okay, your life isn't... that difficult, you're kind of making bad decisions about men, you're jumping into relationships really quickly.

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Kathy would like to play the roster.

Just because, just because there are people who are interested doesn't mean I'm dating them.

So they might be, you know, communicating with me, but it doesn't mean I'm dating with them- I'm dating them.

So having said that, I went through a period of time where I kinda had given up, and I thought, "I'm just gonna put it all on pause." And, uh, I'll tell you what happened.

I met Kendra Scott and Zach Brown.

And Kendra Scott is a jewelry designer from Austin.

Exactly.

To keep it going.

Kathy would like to play the roster.

Just because there are people who are interested doesn't mean I'm dating them.

So they might be, you know, communicating with me, but it doesn't mean I'm dating with them, I'm dating them.

So having said that, I went through a period of time where I kinda had given up and I thought, "I'm just gonna put it all on pause." And, uh, I'll tell you what happened.

I met Kendra Scott and Zach Brown.

And Kendra Scott is a jewelry designer from Austin-

Exactly.

Keep it going.

Did

people know you? Did they know you from the show? Or did you just find these guys off the street? I had some people slide into my DMs and, you know, meet me, came in from out of town.

And that was great.

And of course, they knew from the show I'm willing to move somewhere else.

But what is difficult to understand is you can't get to know one another in that environment.

On the show, I had a great chance during The Bachelor to kind of accelerate all of that.

And then once...

Just because there

Kathy would like to play the roster.

Just because, just because there are people who are interested doesn't mean I'm dating them.

So they might be, you know, communicating with me, but it doesn't mean I'm dating with them, I'm dating them.

So having said that, I went through a period of time where I kinda had given up and I thought, "I'm just gonna put it all on pause." And, uh, I'll tell you what happened.

I met Kendra Scott and Zach Brown.

And Kendra Scott is a jewelry designer from Austin.

Exactly

... to keep it going.

Yeah.

And I waited.

I wanted to wait so all my kids were out of the house.

They're, they're really close in age.

And, uh, my therapist actually said, "Why would you wait until your daughter goes to college where she knows nobody, she has no support system, and then make this change in her life?"

Mm-hmm.

Let's just, you know, but you can rebuild what that looks like.

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Yeah.

And I waited.

I wanted to wait till all my kids were out of the house.

They're, they're really close in age, and, uh, my therapist actually said, "Why would you wait until your daughter goes to college where she knows nobody, she has no support system, and then make this change in her life?"

Mm-hmm.

Let's just, you know, but you can rebuild what that looks like.

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The biggest change, I think, for me, is the freedom to reimagine what my life can look like and to let go of what other people's expectations are, to what my kids' expectations are, my friends, everyone, and just to find the life that I want to live.

Yeah.

And I waited.

I wanted to wait till all my kids were out of the house.

They're, they're really close in age.

And, uh, my therapist actually said, "Why would you wait until your daughter goes to college where she knows nobody, she has no support system, and then make this change in her life?"

Yeah.

The biggest change, I think, for me, is the freedom to reimagine what my life can look like, and to let go of what other people's expectations are, to what my kids' expectations are, my friends', everyone, and just to find the life that I want to live.

100%.

And, you know, for my three daughters, two of them are married and I'm so glad they found someone, and my youngest one is still single.

And I don't know that, um, I've done a great job of showing them...

I mean, clearly I'm standing on my own.

Yeah.

The biggest change I think for me is the freedom to reimagine what my life can look like, and to let go of what other people's expectations are, to what my kids' expectations are, my friends, everyone, and just to find the life that I want to live.

Mm-hmm.

But to be able to stand in our life and to say, "Listen, I'm proud of who I am, where I am, and I'm gonna go give this a try.

Why not? Let's just go give this a try," was a very brave thing for each and every one of, who goes on the show.

Yeah.

And I waited.

I wanted to wait till all my kids were out of the house.

They're, they're really close in age.

And, uh, my therapist actually said, "Why would you wait until your daughter goes to college where she knows nobody, she has no support system, and then make this change in her life?"

since we're divorced, but did you ever fear your kids would be damaged or messed up because of the divorce?

I think of it all the time.

I actually had a conversation with one of my daughters this last week.

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One I started doing when the kids were little.

And I would basically January 1st, I'm not a big New Year's resolution person, but I would do a timeline and do like January, February, March, blah, blah, blah.

And I would put in all the tournaments, all the dance competitions, all the family vacations, spring break, holidays.

So I

Mm-hmm.

So I, my marriage, my marriage was in crisis when my oldest left, and then the next year, very next year, the second one left and I still had the young one at home, and we were still going through it, and I didn't file for divorce until my youngest was a senior in high school.

And I fought that.

I was like, "I'm gonna wait till she's gone," and my therapist was, for two years, trying to convince me to do it earlier.

He's like, "Why would you go through a divorce while your daughter is in a new place? Have her go through that transition-"

Mm-hmm.

So it ended up being nothing, and the way we circled back is, "I'm glad we went through this because one day it's going to be something.

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Um, I d- you know, I don't really, I don't really play the New Year's resolution thing.

Last year, you know what I did? It actually was such a great idea.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I wouldn't say hook.

We're not meeting to hook up any of them.

Pick for yourself.

You can meet people.

And so you do like have... a couple of dates.

It's just getting past that second date, third date, and really looking at compatibility.

Yeah.

You

do.

I have to get two sets of digits today.

So that's goal number one.

Yes.

I don't really play the New Year's resolution thing.

Last year, you know what I did? It actually was such a great idea.

Yeah.

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And as a result, I don't know how anybody got to know him enough to feel anything for him.

That's very fair.

After watching the episodes back, I will say that, um, I personally was giving Mel grace because he had to manage a whole bunch of women and I didn't expect him to engage with me early on.

And so I just said, that's just part of what's happening.

He's got too many women to manage.

But when it got down to hometowns in particular, and definitely the exotic date, and he still was an observer and not a participant, that's when it shifted for me, because this is when you have to lean in or get out.

And also for me too, like if I had just leaned out of it, we had a lot of women who just weren't leaning in too, it goes both ways, but I was definitely leaning in.

Yeah.

that's a good question there though i mean cindy to kick us off do you think there'll be another season

I hope so.

I know that when I watched the previous two seasons of The Golden Bachelor and The Golden Bachelorette, and even watching our season of The Golden Bachelor, of course, I'm invested in it because I'm in it.

But there's some issues that I think are worthy to explore.

And I think people are fascinated by the dynamics.

Okay, let me just give you my hot take.

All right.

I've got to know now in hindsight, was it the bachelor bubble or did you really feel that much for him?