Oct 20, 2026 · 1 hr 12 min · 13 segments
Some debts can only be closed by the living. We call that 3rd Party Forgiveness: the work that falls to a widow, a child or a foundation once the person who owed, or was owed, can no longer sign…
Zo WilliamsHostCourtney ParkerGuestMarcus KingGuestCallie Hope ParkerGuest
You know, this is very interesting to me because for me, I've always been somewhat of a radical.

But you know what's interesting for me, though? I always wonder why is it that there's always a fracture between maybe two people that have put this thing together that had a vision for it What was the cause of the fracture between Seals and Newton?
And when people don't understand the dynamic, you know, it's it seems and it looks like a fracture.
It's like being in a relationship with a girlfriend and then her girlfriends jump in and have their opinions.
I think for the Black Panther Party, it was the United States government in terms of trying to pull these fractions apart in terms of Bobby and Huey.
The dynamic between the two is that Bobby Seals was an older student in college and Huey was a young student.
Bobby Seals had gone to the military and came back as that student that's a little older than everybody else and more like a big brother slash father to a lot of them.
Right.
So the conflict was always a mentoring relationship that sometimes can get bigger and bigger in terms of that direction of the younger party.
So I think that was probably the inception of the fraction when people come in to pull them apart.
And in just the research and the in-depth studies that we have gone through to help co-author this book, I, Bobby, Since Bobby is talking in such a reflective tone now, it's one of the things that I keep coming back to is this wasn't them sitting down and saying, here's what we're going to do brick by brick by brick by brick.
to what was happening if kids if they identified kids being hungry going to school their immediate response was okay let's create programs within our community to feed the kids and If there was an outbreak of sickle cell, their immediate response was, okay, let's set up these free clinics so that women within the community, so I think, can have aid.

You know, this is very interesting to me because for me, I've always been somewhat of a radical.

But you know what's interesting for me, though? I always wonder why is it that there's always a fracture between maybe two people that have put this thing together that had a vision for it What was the cause of the fracture between Seals and Newton?
And when people don't understand the dynamic, you know, it's it seems and it looks like a fracture.
It's like being in a relationship with a girlfriend and then her girlfriends jump in and have their opinions.
I think for the Black Panther Party, it was the United States government in terms of trying to pull these fractions apart in terms of Bobby and Huey.
The dynamic between the two is that Bobby Seals was an older student in college and Huey was a young student.
Bobby Seals had gone to the military and came back as that student that's a little older than everybody else and more like a big brother slash father to a lot of them.
Right.
So the conflict was always a mentoring relationship that sometimes can get bigger and bigger in terms of that direction of the younger party.
So I think that was probably the inception of the fraction when people come in to pull them apart.
And in just the research and the in-depth studies that we have gone through to help co-author this book, I, Bobby, Since Bobby is talking in such a reflective tone now, it's one of the things that I keep coming back to is this wasn't them sitting down and saying, here's what we're going to do brick by brick by brick by brick.
to what was happening if kids if they identified kids being hungry going to school their immediate response was okay let's create programs within our community to feed the kids and If there was an outbreak of sickle cell, their immediate response was, okay, let's set up these free clinics so that women within the community, so I think, can have aid.
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