Oct 1, 2026 · 50 min · 12 segments
No two golfers move, practice, recover, or experience pain in exactly the same way, so why would they all follow the exact same program? In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Kevin Dishon, a doctor of…
Kevin DishonGuestLauren McMillinHostI feel like your story is something that I have seen, not just with movement professionals but with physical therapists and with those that work more in the medical community, is this degree of burnout and just seeing, like, a tremendously high volume of clients, of patients, and, uh, that could be a disservice when you are there to help these people move better and feel better.
But I, there seems to be something, something has gone awry, I think, in the way that, I don't know if it's, like, the way that the medical field is treating these golfers or these people, or that movement professionals are, are working with people.
What do you wish, if you could go back to that first clinic that you were working with, what would you go back and tell them, like, "Hey, this is how..." I mean, not that this is going to be, like, the golden ticket, but if you could change something about, like, how that system was working or, like, how it even, how you see it working today, what would that be? And how do you think that that would help change not only your experience, but also the experience of some of the other physical therapists?
The in-network, at least, for outpatient is, is really complex because insurance companies cut the rates.
You, um, the, the contract is with the insurance company, and so they kind of dictate what we get reimbursed and paid, um, which much would be like, you know- Your toilet goes out, you call a plumber, and the plumber turns to you and is like, "Hey, what are you willing to pay me for this?"
But, um, they couldn't really understand 'cause they're like, "Well, insurance doesn't pay for athletic endeavors.
They care can you get in and out of a chair, can you go up and down stairs, can you do all these functional activities?" And I guess what they didn't really understand is, like, if a golfer has back pain, they can't play golf, obviously.
Their bread and butter was kind of referrals from doctors, and it's like, "We're just gonna keep doing that." And it was, it was pretty frustrating.
And another clinic that I was at, they kinda had the motto of, of GSD, um, get shit done.
Which when it comes to the medical field, I, I was very much against 'cause I was like that just infers, like, just push 'em through, push 'em through.
I feel like your story is something that I have seen, not just with movement professionals but with physical therapists and with those that work more in the medical community, is this degree of burnout and just seeing, like, a tremendously high volume of clients, of patients, and, uh, that could be a disservice when you are there to help these people move better and feel better.
But I, there seems to be something, something has gone awry, I think, in the way that, I don't know if it's, like, the way that the medical field is treating these golfers or these people, or that movement professionals are, are working with people.
What do you wish, if you could go back to that first clinic that you were working with, what would you go back and tell them, like, "Hey, this is how..." I mean, not that this is going to be, like, the golden ticket, but if you could change something about, like, how that system was working or, like, how it even, how you see it working today, what would that be? And how do you think that that would help change not only your experience, but also the experience of some of the other physical therapists?
The in-network, at least, for outpatient is, is really complex because insurance companies cut the rates.
You, um, the, the contract is with the insurance company, and so they kind of dictate what we get reimbursed and paid, um, which much would be like, you know- Your toilet goes out, you call a plumber, and the plumber turns to you and is like, "Hey, what are you willing to pay me for this?"
But, um, they couldn't really understand 'cause they're like, "Well, insurance doesn't pay for athletic endeavors.
They care can you get in and out of a chair, can you go up and down stairs, can you do all these functional activities?" And I guess what they didn't really understand is, like, if a golfer has back pain, they can't play golf, obviously.
Their bread and butter was kind of referrals from doctors, and it's like, "We're just gonna keep doing that." And it was, it was pretty frustrating.
And another clinic that I was at, they kinda had the motto of, of GSD, um, get shit done.
Which when it comes to the medical field, I, I was very much against 'cause I was like that just infers, like, just push 'em through, push 'em through.
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