Jun 30, 2026 · 57 min · 11 segments
In this episode of *WiLD Conversation*, Dr. Rob McKenna Rob and Sabeth Kapahu sit down with Matt Hangen, President and CEO of Water4, an organization radically reshaping how the world tackles the…
Matt HangenGuest
Sabeth KapahuHostWill you explain to someone who does not understand the global water crisis why this is important? Because I said at the beginning, a lot of people are aware, but I'm not sure I was actually right about that.

You guys know that if you travel internationally, if you've gone anywhere outside of Europe or here in the States, you probably can't drink the water out of the tap.

But in rural communities, especially in rural communities in sub-Saharan Africa, there's just no plan to do anything other than the current solution, which is this center of village hand pump thing.

And one in five children will likely die of diarrheal disease in those contexts.

Women and girls spend 70,000 hours of their life hauling water, which is like seven PhDs worth of time just hauling water.

yeah hospitals and clinics don't have water for maternal child care for surgical operations it's just the like economic and health and social consequences of not having water is like the most negatively consequential thing i think that's happening on the planet and because we've been trying the same solutions for so long, there's a move away from funding water projects because there's a sort of an exasperation with the fact that, you know, 30 to 60% of those projects that have been funded are broken and there hasn't been a real novel or innovative solution in sight.

And that's kind of where we come in is this third player of trying to use nonprofit owned businesses to ensure that the social good is happening, but to show that the philosophy of business actually, solves the problem rapidly and puts the emphasis on the end user instead of the donor.
He said half of the people in the world don't have drinking water in their home, running water in their home, half the people in the world.
And this is where it is so like in our context, and I hate sounding like this as a person who lives in outside of Seattle, Washington.
But I just for our listeners, just stop, just pause for one moment to think about how much water impacted you in the last 24 hours, having it in your home.
It's unbelievable how much this is a working assumption for most people, most everyone I know, outside of people that I know overseas, by the way.
And it's when you pause to think about that and think about what it would mean if that were gone.
And we don't even have an understanding of what Matt just described and what Matt also just described.
I'm sorry, Matt, but I'm just selling water for because it's like this reality that you have to solve that problem.
Will you explain to someone who does not understand the global water crisis why this is important? Because I said at the beginning, a lot of people are aware, but I'm not sure I was actually right about that.

You guys know that if you travel internationally, if you've gone anywhere outside of Europe or here in the States, you probably can't drink the water out of the tap.

But in rural communities, especially in rural communities in sub-Saharan Africa, there's just no plan to do anything other than the current solution, which is this center of village hand pump thing.

And one in five children will likely die of diarrheal disease in those contexts.

Women and girls spend 70,000 hours of their life hauling water, which is like seven PhDs worth of time just hauling water.

yeah hospitals and clinics don't have water for maternal child care for surgical operations it's just the like economic and health and social consequences of not having water is like the most negatively consequential thing i think that's happening on the planet and because we've been trying the same solutions for so long, there's a move away from funding water projects because there's a sort of an exasperation with the fact that, you know, 30 to 60% of those projects that have been funded are broken and there hasn't been a real novel or innovative solution in sight.

And that's kind of where we come in is this third player of trying to use nonprofit owned businesses to ensure that the social good is happening, but to show that the philosophy of business actually, solves the problem rapidly and puts the emphasis on the end user instead of the donor.
He said half of the people in the world don't have drinking water in their home, running water in their home, half the people in the world.
And this is where it is so like in our context, and I hate sounding like this as a person who lives in outside of Seattle, Washington.
But I just for our listeners, just stop, just pause for one moment to think about how much water impacted you in the last 24 hours, having it in your home.
It's unbelievable how much this is a working assumption for most people, most everyone I know, outside of people that I know overseas, by the way.
And it's when you pause to think about that and think about what it would mean if that were gone.
And we don't even have an understanding of what Matt just described and what Matt also just described.
I'm sorry, Matt, but I'm just selling water for because it's like this reality that you have to solve that problem.
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