What's Next with Philip Meissner
Oct 13, 2026 · 33 min · 10 segments
Instant chemistry is overrated. Keeping the peace can hold you back. And the person you can’t stand might become a close friend. **Adam Grant, Wharton organizational psychologist and bestselling…
Philip MeissnerHost
That was actually one of the most surprising things that I learned from the book, that you can actually learn to trust people you don't really like.

So are there some principles from the story that you just outlined? What can people take away from this that are listening to this conversation right now?
I synthesized research from many industries and many cultures and found that there are basically four kinds of people in our lives and we need them all, but they serve different purposes.
You hire a contractor or you have a neighbor who drives your kids to practice and vice versa.
And I found it extremely helpful to just recognize, first of all, that not everybody needs to be in every bucket.
It is okay and sometimes even productive to have a team that's great allies, but they're not pals.
They're not the kinds of friends who would hang out outside of work and go to happy hours or karaoke together.
They would never say this company is a family because they know companies should not be families.

That was actually one of the most surprising things that I learned from the book, that you can actually learn to trust people you don't really like.

So are there some principles from the story that you just outlined? What can people take away from this that are listening to this conversation right now?
I synthesized research from many industries and many cultures and found that there are basically four kinds of people in our lives and we need them all, but they serve different purposes.
You hire a contractor or you have a neighbor who drives your kids to practice and vice versa.
And I found it extremely helpful to just recognize, first of all, that not everybody needs to be in every bucket.
It is okay and sometimes even productive to have a team that's great allies, but they're not pals.
They're not the kinds of friends who would hang out outside of work and go to happy hours or karaoke together.
They would never say this company is a family because they know companies should not be families.
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