Unraveling The Brain With Dr. Josh Madsen
Aug 16, 2026 · 32 min · 13 segments
When Brad and Joy were told to abort their daughter Zoe at 10 weeks because of a Down Syndrome diagnosis, they said no. Five years and dozens of therapies later, Zoe still wasn't speaking, until two…
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What are some things that like in the initial exam that surprised you that we found or things that maybe you didn't know about? What were some things that kind of even from the start that that you just weren't aware of that maybe some other parents that are in the same scenario should look into that you just didn't know about?
For me, I obviously watching your videos, I started learning what primitive reflexes are and some of those other things.
But I had no idea how that affected Everything.
So in the initial exam, when you were going through the protocol, you were like, she's four out of four on this or three out of four on this.
Just understanding what a disadvantage she was at because she hadn't got rid of those primitive reflexes.
was surprising to me.
I guess it wasn't surprising, but it was surprising in a way how many of those she still had and how she's been swimming upstream, so to speak, for five years now.
So that was encouraging.
I was also very encouraged to know that when we left here after two weeks that most of those, if not all of those, would be resolved and that now she would be um in a better position for kindergarten and the things that are coming up for her too so

yeah less roadblocks in her way just a better ability to have a nice solid foundation that she can grow off of exactly
yeah it's heartbreaking um i mean it took us two years to get here right yeah but if we could go back i would have we would have come much earlier if we could have And so I feel like we're a little bit late because kindergarten starts in August and it's essentially July right now.
But it just it was breaking our hearts to one of our big goals with you was speech.
Yeah.
So it was breaking our hearts that Zoe would go to school and she'd be playing amongst all of her friends.
And we knew that the words were there.
She just couldn't get them out like they were not coming out.
Yeah.
um and so that was one of the big reasons why we wanted to get here this summer um and i just wish that we could go back and do it all over again because she would be in a different spot if we would have done it earlier
yeah

yeah and a lot of people don't realize like that that speech motor component we it develops off of our motor system and primitive reflexes are the foundation for that and then Our balance centers are another big piece of that, and our eyes are another big piece of that.

And if we don't have that basic foundation that should have really developed efficiently in the first two to three years of life, we don't have a solid foundation for our speech motor centers and all these other higher cognitive skills that develop off of that.

What are some things that like in the initial exam that surprised you that we found or things that maybe you didn't know about? What were some things that kind of even from the start that that you just weren't aware of that maybe some other parents that are in the same scenario should look into that you just didn't know about?
For me, I obviously watching your videos, I started learning what primitive reflexes are and some of those other things.
But I had no idea how that affected Everything.
So in the initial exam, when you were going through the protocol, you were like, she's four out of four on this or three out of four on this.
Just understanding what a disadvantage she was at because she hadn't got rid of those primitive reflexes.
was surprising to me.
I guess it wasn't surprising, but it was surprising in a way how many of those she still had and how she's been swimming upstream, so to speak, for five years now.
So that was encouraging.
I was also very encouraged to know that when we left here after two weeks that most of those, if not all of those, would be resolved and that now she would be um in a better position for kindergarten and the things that are coming up for her too so

yeah less roadblocks in her way just a better ability to have a nice solid foundation that she can grow off of exactly
yeah it's heartbreaking um i mean it took us two years to get here right yeah but if we could go back i would have we would have come much earlier if we could have And so I feel like we're a little bit late because kindergarten starts in August and it's essentially July right now.
But it just it was breaking our hearts to one of our big goals with you was speech.
Yeah.
So it was breaking our hearts that Zoe would go to school and she'd be playing amongst all of her friends.
And we knew that the words were there.
She just couldn't get them out like they were not coming out.
Yeah.
um and so that was one of the big reasons why we wanted to get here this summer um and i just wish that we could go back and do it all over again because she would be in a different spot if we would have done it earlier
yeah

yeah and a lot of people don't realize like that that speech motor component we it develops off of our motor system and primitive reflexes are the foundation for that and then Our balance centers are another big piece of that, and our eyes are another big piece of that.

And if we don't have that basic foundation that should have really developed efficiently in the first two to three years of life, we don't have a solid foundation for our speech motor centers and all these other higher cognitive skills that develop off of that.
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