Episode 10

But the first thing I wanted to bring up was the sort of biggest development that's happened since our last podcast, which was Zernorb getting cut from pretty much all lists recently.

So I just kind of wanted to go into that.

So first person to do this is House of Mana.

You guys should know, you know, if you've been in the Titan community for a while and at the time that he cut, you know, I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure that he was like not aware that there were like other, you know, infinite loops available within the list.

and maybe you guys don't know that listen to the podcast but there are additional infinite loops that you can play and uh we'll sort of go over those but i i want to you know make it clear that like even not knowing that there weren't infinite loops available or that there were infinite loops available uh he still made the choice to cut it and honestly i'm not you know i i agree with that like i feel like it was pretty reasonable the loops weren't coming up enough that i was like oh i really need to do this you know pretty often and you know maybe alice you got a diverging opinion on that one uh

yeah yeah so i was a big zorb believer um and it basically took you being like no like zorb is just not necessary try it and i was like okay i'll try anything and i tried it and i had three games where i was like dead certain that i needed zorb And I took a picture of them, and I posted them to the channel, and people came up with solutions that didn't need Zorb.

And so I was like, OK, I'm wrong about this, probably.

So I kept playing, and I just eventually learned that you can pretty much always find a way out of it.

There are a couple of situations where I do think Zorb is still good.

the really heavy Solitude decks, and there are certain positions in Topanza where I think their optimal move is you put a Cultivator on the stack, the first thing they do with the trigger on the stack is kill it.

And it can be tough in some of those positions to win, because if they just have four removal spells in their hand, they just kill all the things you put onto the field.

And they killed that initial Cultivator, and so you don't have this way to draw infinitely.

We should probably talk about what the new infinite is, because it has come up for me a couple times against Boros.

Fucking Ocelot Bride is a hell of a card, as I always say.

The new infinite works like this.

You cast Cultivator, the normal non-deterministic BS.

You draw 20 cards.

You put a bunch of amulets in play.

Then eventually you get into a position where you have Aftermath Analyst, and a scapeshift in your hand with a mirror pool already on the battlefield.

You cast Aftermath Analyst, you cast scapeshift, and you hold priority and you copy your scapeshift with mirror pool's not often used copy instant or sorcery mode.

This puts another copy of scapeshift on the stack And so you can use that copy of scapeshift to sack all of your lands and resurrect them with analyst in a similar way to Lotus field.

This lets you get infinite landfall.

Um, and again, like this has come up for me a lot.

I probably would still be running orb if this wasn't an option because I hate losing to boros where they just have a billion cats, uh,

yeah or just unwinnable board states in general you know across the board yeah where a colossus just can't win um but yeah i i so i'll talk about this more but i played an rcq and my finals opponent was playing like uh uh Well, this is Cody Lee Campbell, who's like on the front page of, I guess, Goldfish right now with this list and has a famished world sign on it because he's like, I don't know.