Jul 16, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 11 segments
**What happens when one of Britain's most recognisable TV personalities becomes one of the country's most powerful voices for neurodivergent families?** In this deeply personal episode of **Thick No…
Carrie GrantGuestJay GiddensHostYou probably wouldn't allow her through the door, but I, I've let her in, so tough.
What would you say to her? Gi- give her, give her, give her three pieces of advice from, from Carrie Grant that you think she needs to hear, because I'd love to know your thoughts on this, actually.
Well, the most important thing is the children, isn't it? So I could talk about her most recent campaign, but I will skip that because I have other things that are more important to talk about with Bridget Phillipson.
And also, we don't know whether Bridget Phillipson will still be in the role that she's in if Andy Burnham gets in, so there is a bit of a question there.
But, um, I think whenever we talk about local authority provision and we talk about school provision, I find myself, and this is, this has happened since those very early days of- Uh, being part of that group that I just mentioned that was looking at girls and autism.
We have to look at ideology, because I think that ideology is where things start.
And having studied theology, I now look at the world, and I was even before this, but looking at the world in, like, what-- whose voices is it that we're hearing? And until we change the ideology that's out there currently, which is the ideology of normal, unless that flips and there is somehow a more even ground and equal ground, then we are going to...
It's a bit like giving me a whole list of things to do that I'm not capable of doing or changing my heart and saying-
Yeah
... to my heart, "Do you know what it would be like to love someone and serve them and be gorgeous to them?" If you're speaking to the love of my heart, I can do...
Like as, as a, you know, as David's wife, I've been married nearly 40 years now, 38 years.
Um, if someone had, if David had given me a list of all the things I'm meant to do, I would not have even got married.
But love, without any asking me to do anything, just loving me and me loving David, means that I will do lots of things.
Ideology, if it starts from a place of grace and love, is a very different space.
At the moment, what we have is the ideology of normal that everybody's trying to keep up with and failing at.
We've then, what, what the DfE thinks is, "Let's add SATs, because SATs will make it...
You probably wouldn't allow her through the door, but I, I've let her in, so tough.
What would you say to her? Gi- give her, give her, give her three pieces of advice from, from Carrie Grant that you think she needs to hear, because I'd love to know your thoughts on this, actually.
Well, the most important thing is the children, isn't it? So I could talk about her most recent campaign, but I will skip that because I have other things that are more important to talk about with Bridget Phillipson.
And also, we don't know whether Bridget Phillipson will still be in the role that she's in if Andy Burnham gets in, so there is a bit of a question there.
But, um, I think whenever we talk about local authority provision and we talk about school provision, I find myself, and this is, this has happened since those very early days of- Uh, being part of that group that I just mentioned that was looking at girls and autism.
We have to look at ideology, because I think that ideology is where things start.
And having studied theology, I now look at the world, and I was even before this, but looking at the world in, like, what-- whose voices is it that we're hearing? And until we change the ideology that's out there currently, which is the ideology of normal, unless that flips and there is somehow a more even ground and equal ground, then we are going to...
It's a bit like giving me a whole list of things to do that I'm not capable of doing or changing my heart and saying-
Yeah
... to my heart, "Do you know what it would be like to love someone and serve them and be gorgeous to them?" If you're speaking to the love of my heart, I can do...
Like as, as a, you know, as David's wife, I've been married nearly 40 years now, 38 years.
Um, if someone had, if David had given me a list of all the things I'm meant to do, I would not have even got married.
But love, without any asking me to do anything, just loving me and me loving David, means that I will do lots of things.
Ideology, if it starts from a place of grace and love, is a very different space.
At the moment, what we have is the ideology of normal that everybody's trying to keep up with and failing at.
We've then, what, what the DfE thinks is, "Let's add SATs, because SATs will make it...
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