Jun 8, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 12 segments
What begins as a conversation about birthdays unfolds into a deeper exploration of secure attachment, autonomy, marriage, friendship, and the slow evolution of family life. We share stories from our…
So there's one thing that I just wanted to acknowledge you for.
And it's because I've been I listened to our last recording this morning and there was one really great realization that you had.
the self-expression, the spiritual work, self-development work is much more widely accepted here.
There's like a culture of doing, like you were talking about in the last episode, you know, therapy and doing work, the internal family systems work, like doing that type of inner child work.
And And also, I think both of us have experienced somewhat out of touch with reality expressions of this work.
And you said at the end of your beautiful story, which, by the way, if anybody listening to this has not listened to the episode before this, go back and listen.
It was an epic story of Nicole's healing of her teenage self and a really cool story about her on a plane.
So...
That's
my
pitch.
But at the end of it, you said, it was so good to know that I can do this work and still show up as a mother, as a wife, as a friend, as a villager.
And I was like, dude, that's so true.
Because doing internal work, personal work, however you want to phrase it, I mean, I've just met people where it just consumes their entire life.
reality and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that but it makes it hard to be friends with them or it's almost like you always have to meet them where they are and there's not space for you and so I think it's just so cool that you were able to prove to yourself you can do both and you can Yeah, I just think that's such a healthy way to to sit with some of the deeper work.
And it's not to say that you have to be like compartmentalized or detached, but I think it's a testament to like your level of maturity with doing work.
And so
that reflection, girl.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That means a lot.
It's interesting.
So there's one thing that I just wanted to acknowledge you for.
And it's because I've been I listened to our last recording this morning and there was one really great realization that you had.
the self-expression, the spiritual work, self-development work is much more widely accepted here.
There's like a culture of doing, like you were talking about in the last episode, you know, therapy and doing work, the internal family systems work, like doing that type of inner child work.
And And also, I think both of us have experienced somewhat out of touch with reality expressions of this work.
And you said at the end of your beautiful story, which, by the way, if anybody listening to this has not listened to the episode before this, go back and listen.
It was an epic story of Nicole's healing of her teenage self and a really cool story about her on a plane.
So...
That's
my
pitch.
But at the end of it, you said, it was so good to know that I can do this work and still show up as a mother, as a wife, as a friend, as a villager.
And I was like, dude, that's so true.
Because doing internal work, personal work, however you want to phrase it, I mean, I've just met people where it just consumes their entire life.
reality and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that but it makes it hard to be friends with them or it's almost like you always have to meet them where they are and there's not space for you and so I think it's just so cool that you were able to prove to yourself you can do both and you can Yeah, I just think that's such a healthy way to to sit with some of the deeper work.
And it's not to say that you have to be like compartmentalized or detached, but I think it's a testament to like your level of maturity with doing work.
And so
that reflection, girl.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That means a lot.
It's interesting.
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