Jul 8, 2026 · 50 min · 11 segments
Today I am joined by Naomi Fisher, a child psychologist and parent of two unschooled teenagers. So, we are talking about the teenage years and how hard it can be particularly for those young people…
Esther JonesHost
and my probably then nine-year-old sitting on the sofa saying i think this is the university i'll go to and showing me it and me thinking god

going to happen and having this terrible moment of panic of like okay yeah brilliant you
know okay this is very clear and he's off to university in september and every now and again i think
I remember one conversation I had with another mother when my children were a similar age.
And I remember saying to her, have we chosen a path for our children that can't include academic excellence? Have we kind of excluded, have we made that choice for them without meaning to make that choice for them? Interesting.
Which they then might turn around and say, I always wanted to go to university, for example, and you haven't prepared me for it.

And I think that both you and I have been through the experience where we've absolutely seen that that is not the case.

and my probably then nine-year-old sitting on the sofa saying i think this is the university i'll go to and showing me it and me thinking god

going to happen and having this terrible moment of panic of like okay yeah brilliant you
know okay this is very clear and he's off to university in september and every now and again i think
I remember one conversation I had with another mother when my children were a similar age.
And I remember saying to her, have we chosen a path for our children that can't include academic excellence? Have we kind of excluded, have we made that choice for them without meaning to make that choice for them? Interesting.
Which they then might turn around and say, I always wanted to go to university, for example, and you haven't prepared me for it.

And I think that both you and I have been through the experience where we've absolutely seen that that is not the case.
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