Sep 30, 2026 · 52 min · 12 segments
**On this week’s episode of The Ultimate Assist, John Stockton and Ken Ruettgers welcome back epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher, MPH, for a provocative conversation about childhood vaccines…
Nicolas HulscherGuest
John StocktonHost
Ken RuettgersHost
Well, you're making some claims right now that might change the way people think about vaccines and everything related to vaccines.

What's the strongest piece of evidence you have? And when you think pro-vaccine thinkers should be really kind of mulling over?

Yeah, the strongest study we have on vaccinated versus unvaccinated children is the Henry Ford birth cohort study that was conducted by lead researchers at Henry Ford Hospital System.

And so what this study shows is, well, first of all, it was the largest vaccinated versus unvaccinated cohort.

birth cohort study ever conducted so that means following children from the time they're born for like 10 years right so and you capture all of their medical visits because they're in that insurance program you don't miss really anything you get all their vaccines they verified their immunization records with the state of michigan and so it was very powerful and what they found was After doing all the statistical adjustments, accounting for what are called confounding variables that could interfere with associations, they found that vaccinated children had two and a half times higher risk of any chronic disease compared to the unvaccinated children.

And then after 10 years, they looked at the chronic disease prevalence, 57%.

of the vaccinated children had at least one chronic disease after 10 years.

And then lastly, we published a reanalysis of that data and just looked at the raw numbers.

And when we looked at the raw numbers, all 22 of the chronic disease categories were higher in the vaccinated children with no exceptions.

as well as autoimmune diseases, skin diseases, asthma, diabetes, literally all of these conditions were proportionally higher in the vaccinated.

You're injecting fetal DNA fragments from a fetus that was aborted in the 1960s.

Well, you're making some claims right now that might change the way people think about vaccines and everything related to vaccines.

What's the strongest piece of evidence you have? And when you think pro-vaccine thinkers should be really kind of mulling over?

Yeah, the strongest study we have on vaccinated versus unvaccinated children is the Henry Ford birth cohort study that was conducted by lead researchers at Henry Ford Hospital System.

And so what this study shows is, well, first of all, it was the largest vaccinated versus unvaccinated cohort.

birth cohort study ever conducted so that means following children from the time they're born for like 10 years right so and you capture all of their medical visits because they're in that insurance program you don't miss really anything you get all their vaccines they verified their immunization records with the state of michigan and so it was very powerful and what they found was After doing all the statistical adjustments, accounting for what are called confounding variables that could interfere with associations, they found that vaccinated children had two and a half times higher risk of any chronic disease compared to the unvaccinated children.

And then after 10 years, they looked at the chronic disease prevalence, 57%.

of the vaccinated children had at least one chronic disease after 10 years.

And then lastly, we published a reanalysis of that data and just looked at the raw numbers.

And when we looked at the raw numbers, all 22 of the chronic disease categories were higher in the vaccinated children with no exceptions.

as well as autoimmune diseases, skin diseases, asthma, diabetes, literally all of these conditions were proportionally higher in the vaccinated.

You're injecting fetal DNA fragments from a fetus that was aborted in the 1960s.
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