Oct 16, 2026 · 1 hr · 16 segments
**Follow Applied Wizardry on its new feed to keep getting every episode.** Dave Slutzkin, co-founder of Antiburn, joins Yaniv to break down what actually drives token costs in agentic development and…
Well, that's what this episode is about, right? Like, how do we get the same intelligence for lower cost?
I think we've known for a long time that it's really important to understand your tools and to understand the detail of what's happening when you're building software.
The same turns out to be true for these amazing and magical and complex tools.
Picking one model that you like that's at the frontier and saying, "This is my model," that just doesn't work anymore.
Pablo Picasso once said, "When art critics get together, they talk about form and structure and meaning.
When artists get together, they talk about where you can buy cheap turpentine." Well, welcome to Applied Wizardry.
This is the podcast if you are a practitioner, and you want to talk about the cheap turpentine of building with AI.
This is a podcast that talks about all the things that actually matter for you every day, practitioner to practitioner.
And today, we have got the ultimate cheap turpentine guest, Dave Slutzkin, who's co-founder of Antiburn, a company that helps you understand and optimize your token spend so you get more bang for your buck.
Well, that's what this episode is about, right? Like, how do we get the same intelligence for lower cost?
I think we've known for a long time that it's really important to understand your tools and to understand the detail of what's happening when you're building software.
The same turns out to be true for these amazing and magical and complex tools.
Picking one model that you like that's at the frontier and saying, "This is my model," that just doesn't work anymore.
Pablo Picasso once said, "When art critics get together, they talk about form and structure and meaning.
When artists get together, they talk about where you can buy cheap turpentine." Well, welcome to Applied Wizardry.
This is the podcast if you are a practitioner, and you want to talk about the cheap turpentine of building with AI.
This is a podcast that talks about all the things that actually matter for you every day, practitioner to practitioner.
And today, we have got the ultimate cheap turpentine guest, Dave Slutzkin, who's co-founder of Antiburn, a company that helps you understand and optimize your token spend so you get more bang for your buck.
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