Oct 27, 2026 · 1 hr · 16 segments
In today’s episode, Seth Gruber calls out what he sees as a growing contradiction inside the pro-life movement: organizations claiming to defend unborn children while opposing criminal penalties for…
Seth GruberHost
And the reason that it deserves continued discussion is because it's where the battlefield is raging the hottest now.

of pro-life organizations and leaders and speakers in this country who have publicly advertised celebrated their commitment to preventing abortion from being abolished and of course what does it mean to abolish abortion well it means that it becomes illegal okay so what does it mean for abortion to be illegal um that there's actually consequences for people who would murder pre-born babies something is not really criminal or illegal if the law protects your ability to do the thing that is allegedly illegal on paper then it's not really illegal.

But in the real world, it's not really against the law unless the law functions as the law and punishes people who break the law.

And we're not just talking about, you know, getting drugs or, you know, Grand Theft Auto or breaking and entering or trespassing.

We're talking about murdering little babies whose entire existence was supposed to be defended by pro-life leaders working toward protecting them.

And now there is a collection of organizations and individuals who kind of flaunt, like brag about their commitment to to stop those babies from being protected.

And they've disagreed with how I framed that multiple times, but it's all smoke and mirrors.

If the political infrastructures, okay, the judicial branch, for example, doesn't protect you.

So your right to life, which I believe every human being has as an inalienable right to life, as a God-given right, that right to life only exists in the metaphysical ether until it's protected legislatively, judicially.

But all of the plantation owners who own human beings right now will suffer no consequences if they continue to treat those human beings like cattle.

And the reason that it deserves continued discussion is because it's where the battlefield is raging the hottest now.

of pro-life organizations and leaders and speakers in this country who have publicly advertised celebrated their commitment to preventing abortion from being abolished and of course what does it mean to abolish abortion well it means that it becomes illegal okay so what does it mean for abortion to be illegal um that there's actually consequences for people who would murder pre-born babies something is not really criminal or illegal if the law protects your ability to do the thing that is allegedly illegal on paper then it's not really illegal.

But in the real world, it's not really against the law unless the law functions as the law and punishes people who break the law.

And we're not just talking about, you know, getting drugs or, you know, Grand Theft Auto or breaking and entering or trespassing.

We're talking about murdering little babies whose entire existence was supposed to be defended by pro-life leaders working toward protecting them.

And now there is a collection of organizations and individuals who kind of flaunt, like brag about their commitment to to stop those babies from being protected.

And they've disagreed with how I framed that multiple times, but it's all smoke and mirrors.

If the political infrastructures, okay, the judicial branch, for example, doesn't protect you.

So your right to life, which I believe every human being has as an inalienable right to life, as a God-given right, that right to life only exists in the metaphysical ether until it's protected legislatively, judicially.

But all of the plantation owners who own human beings right now will suffer no consequences if they continue to treat those human beings like cattle.
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