Sep 17, 2026 · 3 min · 4 segments
Hey Dateline fans, here’s a special preview of the first episode of our new podcast series, Before & After with Lester Holt. In this episode, Lester Holt talks to former San Francisco 49ers…
Colin KaepernickGuest
Lester HoltHost
very specifically fighting against police killing Black folks, but also looking at systemic oppression holistically to get society thinking and moving in the direction of addressing these issues to create a better society.
We have to do something different, and there has to be motion and momentum and movement around that.
I was thinking about all the people before me and the sacrifices that they had made, how far they were willing to go, whether that's the Montgomery bus boycotts, whether that's Rosa Parks, whether that's Malcolm X, whether that's MLK.
We saw people willing to go extraordinary lengths to because they believe that we could be better.
And they believe that we could bring about rights and equity and justice for everyone.
And to think about the sacrifices that people before us had made, if they're willing to go that far, how far should we be willing to go? What is the cost and the expense of doing nothing? I got to see different cities respond differently to me.
I saw people with shirts that they were selling that had me within the scope of a sniper rifle.
I also saw down in San Diego, the first time we took a knee, a black woman who had a sign, Kaepernick for president.
What did it feel like to be the brunt of such anger and real-life death threats? I
And there is a realization of, okay, I have to move differently through the world right now.
I wasn't going to let them stop me or us from doing that work and moving forward.
very specifically fighting against police killing Black folks, but also looking at systemic oppression holistically to get society thinking and moving in the direction of addressing these issues to create a better society.
We have to do something different, and there has to be motion and momentum and movement around that.
I was thinking about all the people before me and the sacrifices that they had made, how far they were willing to go, whether that's the Montgomery bus boycotts, whether that's Rosa Parks, whether that's Malcolm X, whether that's MLK.
We saw people willing to go extraordinary lengths to because they believe that we could be better.
And they believe that we could bring about rights and equity and justice for everyone.
And to think about the sacrifices that people before us had made, if they're willing to go that far, how far should we be willing to go? What is the cost and the expense of doing nothing? I got to see different cities respond differently to me.
I saw people with shirts that they were selling that had me within the scope of a sniper rifle.
I also saw down in San Diego, the first time we took a knee, a black woman who had a sign, Kaepernick for president.
What did it feel like to be the brunt of such anger and real-life death threats? I
And there is a realization of, okay, I have to move differently through the world right now.
I wasn't going to let them stop me or us from doing that work and moving forward.
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