Sep 16, 2026 · 30 min · 10 segments
Stalled energy projects and an aging grid are direct hits to our national infrastructure and local economies. Upgrading our power transmission systems is a requirement to keep the lights on and costs…
Pat O'BrienHost
You mentioned leaders and you made a statement about things that President Trump has said.

Is it is it just him or is it a broader group of elected officials that are repeating what you would say is just something not true? Yeah.
And it has been for, since I've been in this thing for sure for the last 20 plus years.
Um, I really think that there are, uh, certainly there are politicians and groups of politicians who, uh, gain more power by dividing us than uniting us.
Sometimes it's, You know, those environmentalists, those conservationists, or sometimes it's a particular religious group, whatever.
Having a boogeyman really is important to a lot of people, and it helps them hang on to power or gain discipline.
And as I mentioned, I think last week, there's been a very well-organized effort in the last couple of decades to lump a bunch of particular issues together as being quote-unquote liberal.
And I don't think environmentalism should be one of those because we all benefit from a healthy environment.

You mentioned leaders and you made a statement about things that President Trump has said.

Is it is it just him or is it a broader group of elected officials that are repeating what you would say is just something not true? Yeah.
And it has been for, since I've been in this thing for sure for the last 20 plus years.
Um, I really think that there are, uh, certainly there are politicians and groups of politicians who, uh, gain more power by dividing us than uniting us.
Sometimes it's, You know, those environmentalists, those conservationists, or sometimes it's a particular religious group, whatever.
Having a boogeyman really is important to a lot of people, and it helps them hang on to power or gain discipline.
And as I mentioned, I think last week, there's been a very well-organized effort in the last couple of decades to lump a bunch of particular issues together as being quote-unquote liberal.
And I don't think environmentalism should be one of those because we all benefit from a healthy environment.
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