Jun 17, 2026 · 48 min · 12 segments
Emily Galvin Almanza is a former public defender and the co-founder and executive director of Partners for Justice and the author of the new book The Price of Mercy: Unfair Trials, a Violent System…
Emily Galvin-AlmanzaGuestJosh SpicklerHostPolicing.
I mean, they don't bring enforcement, right? They bring a lot of harm.
They're not held accountable almost all the time when they do that.
Big budgets, incredibly powerful unions.
We send them into our neighborhoods for all sorts of things that they're still not equipped to deal with.
And you talk about, I love this phrase, unbundling policing.
So say more about what you mean when you say unbundling policing and any other thoughts on police reform.
I love it.
So let's pretend that this space in between the lights is everything police do in the community, okay? All of their time, it's a big map.
If we were to look at it as a big map, the entire half of the wall on this side, literally half the wall is like unfounded calls.
They get called to a place for a reason and nothing was happening there.
Another huge quarter is going to be noise complaints, dogs barking, people shouting, teenagers partying, just like the mess of living in a community and like the need for a hall monitor.
Like that's literally another quarter of what they are called upon to do.
And then when we get down here into this,
only about a quarter of what we're talking about here involves like meaningful interventions of any kind.
Policing.
I mean, they don't bring enforcement, right? They bring a lot of harm.
They're not held accountable almost all the time when they do that.
Big budgets, incredibly powerful unions.
We send them into our neighborhoods for all sorts of things that they're still not equipped to deal with.
And you talk about, I love this phrase, unbundling policing.
So say more about what you mean when you say unbundling policing and any other thoughts on police reform.
I love it.
So let's pretend that this space in between the lights is everything police do in the community, okay? All of their time, it's a big map.
If we were to look at it as a big map, the entire half of the wall on this side, literally half the wall is like unfounded calls.
They get called to a place for a reason and nothing was happening there.
Another huge quarter is going to be noise complaints, dogs barking, people shouting, teenagers partying, just like the mess of living in a community and like the need for a hall monitor.
Like that's literally another quarter of what they are called upon to do.
And then when we get down here into this,
only about a quarter of what we're talking about here involves like meaningful interventions of any kind.
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