Jul 9, 2026 · 55 min · 11 segments
Host Chad McLain interviews his friend Rob Higdon, a health insurance businessperson and ORU alumnus, on whether true selfless giving exists and how expectations shape relationships. They argue life…
Rob HigdonGuest
Chad McLainHost
So we're going to talk about the concept of people giving and whether or not they have an expectation of something in return.

And I didn't broadly apply it in the beginning, but it's it's very interesting to think about just life in general.

And, you know, we think about life, life for the most part is at some level transactional.

Well, the expectation is that when we get home, somebody's going to cook dinner or we're going to cook dinner.

So we're going to have some fun today talking about whether or not when people give things and they say they give them without an expectation, whether or not that's a real thing.

And so the question is whether or not true selfless giving is real or or it's something we just like to think about ourselves that we do that.

So we're going to talk about the concept of people giving and whether or not they have an expectation of something in return.

And I didn't broadly apply it in the beginning, but it's it's very interesting to think about just life in general.

And, you know, we think about life, life for the most part is at some level transactional.

Well, the expectation is that when we get home, somebody's going to cook dinner or we're going to cook dinner.

So we're going to have some fun today talking about whether or not when people give things and they say they give them without an expectation, whether or not that's a real thing.

And so the question is whether or not true selfless giving is real or or it's something we just like to think about ourselves that we do that.
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