Jun 9, 2026 · 32 min · 12 segments
Ryan speaks with Jason Chu (historian/rapper) and Sam Hyun (government relations/media exec) about the historical/cultural context of the Rick Chow verdict \[for the taking the life of Cyrus Carmack…
Ryan Alexander HolmesHost
Sam HyunGuestJason ChuGuestAnd I thought about that both because I think This I thought about that both because the story is very similar but also because of everything that came after And the way that the media really spun that and has used that for the last what 30 years.
and in there it takes and I've already seen we've all already seen this going on online where an incident that's a tragedy, that's horrible, that is racially charged, that is perhaps racially informed and motivated starts getting turned into something that becomes an excuse or adds fuel to the fire.
these pre-existing tensions and that's what scares and saddens me and and what I really want us to get out to our communities is how do we process this and how do we try in some way to not let this go where we know it could go and
I would add, you know, I think first and foremost, like it's like really thinking about the families.
We put ourselves as if we understand what is happening in real time onto the situation as opposed to actually taking a step back and be like, holy shit, we literally just lost a 14-year-old kid.
And I thought about that both because I think This I thought about that both because the story is very similar but also because of everything that came after And the way that the media really spun that and has used that for the last what 30 years.
and in there it takes and I've already seen we've all already seen this going on online where an incident that's a tragedy, that's horrible, that is racially charged, that is perhaps racially informed and motivated starts getting turned into something that becomes an excuse or adds fuel to the fire.
these pre-existing tensions and that's what scares and saddens me and and what I really want us to get out to our communities is how do we process this and how do we try in some way to not let this go where we know it could go and
I would add, you know, I think first and foremost, like it's like really thinking about the families.
We put ourselves as if we understand what is happening in real time onto the situation as opposed to actually taking a step back and be like, holy shit, we literally just lost a 14-year-old kid.
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