Sep 2, 2026 · 51 min · 11 segments
*Incoming CIPD CEO* Neil Carberry OBE *joins CIPD Chair* Professor Chris Bones…
Neil CarberryGuest
Chris BonesGuest
Trevor MerridenHost
Chloe SmithGuest
AI, productivity, skill shortages, employment legislation and the changing employee expectations have all put people, leadership and organisational performance firmly on the board agenda.

This podcast is all about looking ahead, but we kind of have to start with today, really, when talking about the HR journey.

If each of you had one sentence to describe the state of the HR profession today, what would it be? I'll come to you first, Chris.

I'm going to start by trying to reflect the external narrative, which is not particularly confident or complimentary, but I think it's one we have to face into.

So the narrative really is a profession sort of verging on the irrelevance, perhaps unconfident, maybe less than capable, with very mixed view about its contribution to overall organisational performance, and potentially a profession that is now over-invested in versus other more productive parts of the organisation.

It probably is an unfair characterisation of some of the very best in our world.

And unless we deal with it effectively, I think we're going to find there are abilities of profession to contribute to organisational performance and success is going to be undermined.

I would build on Chris's themes there and talk about the fact that this is a vital moment for the profession.

And in the words of, for example, Mercer's global talent trends, it's now or never for HR reinvention.

The reason for that, I think, comes actually particularly from one of the perspectives I bring to the CIPD, which is part of the public benefit.

Why would a former Secretary of State be interested in supporting the CIPD on its journey? The answer to that is because it's economically essential.

HR has such a role to play in what adds up to the national and indeed global economy.

OK, Neil, Chloe and Chris have described the challenge very eloquently in that way.


AI, productivity, skill shortages, employment legislation and the changing employee expectations have all put people, leadership and organisational performance firmly on the board agenda.

This podcast is all about looking ahead, but we kind of have to start with today, really, when talking about the HR journey.

If each of you had one sentence to describe the state of the HR profession today, what would it be? I'll come to you first, Chris.

I'm going to start by trying to reflect the external narrative, which is not particularly confident or complimentary, but I think it's one we have to face into.

So the narrative really is a profession sort of verging on the irrelevance, perhaps unconfident, maybe less than capable, with very mixed view about its contribution to overall organisational performance, and potentially a profession that is now over-invested in versus other more productive parts of the organisation.

It probably is an unfair characterisation of some of the very best in our world.

And unless we deal with it effectively, I think we're going to find there are abilities of profession to contribute to organisational performance and success is going to be undermined.

I would build on Chris's themes there and talk about the fact that this is a vital moment for the profession.

And in the words of, for example, Mercer's global talent trends, it's now or never for HR reinvention.

The reason for that, I think, comes actually particularly from one of the perspectives I bring to the CIPD, which is part of the public benefit.

Why would a former Secretary of State be interested in supporting the CIPD on its journey? The answer to that is because it's economically essential.

HR has such a role to play in what adds up to the national and indeed global economy.

OK, Neil, Chloe and Chris have described the challenge very eloquently in that way.

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