Jun 9, 2026 · 42 min · 12 segments
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Abby GilsonGuest
Matt StaufferHost
And when I moved into the corporate world, I was worried about selling out, and I was worried about-

One thing you'll hear people talk about a lot, especially married men with children, is they justify like not pursuing their previous dreams by saying, "Because I'm doing this to provide for my family," right? Which really just means, n- uh, hold on.

Sometimes that's actually the focus, but often it's just a way for us to justify not having fully processed what it feels like to not follow that dream we originally had.

And one of the things that I really love that I was gonna poke at, and you got to it way before I did, is that you can work at a nonprofit and be just absolutely miserable, not connected to your passion or your joy or happiness-

... not actually be impacting people's lives positively, and you can work in the most corporate environment, and you can be the, the highlight of people's day, and you can change entire people's worlds around based on the, the way you're using the power of that position that you're in.

Like, yeah, I, I am in the corporate world, and I employ people, and I, you know, help create public spaces where people are kinder to each other, and I help make events happen.

So I'm just like, man, you're way too young to have figured that out already, but whatever.

And when I moved into the corporate world, I was worried about selling out, and I was worried about-

One thing you'll hear people talk about a lot, especially married men with children, is they justify like not pursuing their previous dreams by saying, "Because I'm doing this to provide for my family," right? Which really just means, n- uh, hold on.

Sometimes that's actually the focus, but often it's just a way for us to justify not having fully processed what it feels like to not follow that dream we originally had.

And one of the things that I really love that I was gonna poke at, and you got to it way before I did, is that you can work at a nonprofit and be just absolutely miserable, not connected to your passion or your joy or happiness-

... not actually be impacting people's lives positively, and you can work in the most corporate environment, and you can be the, the highlight of people's day, and you can change entire people's worlds around based on the, the way you're using the power of that position that you're in.

Like, yeah, I, I am in the corporate world, and I employ people, and I, you know, help create public spaces where people are kinder to each other, and I help make events happen.

So I'm just like, man, you're way too young to have figured that out already, but whatever.
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