Oct 7, 2026 · 44 min · 9 segments
How do you know an ID is genuine, and that the person presenting it is its rightful holder? In this episode of ID Talk, hosts Tony Bitzionis and Alex Perala welcome Geoff Slagle, Executive Vice…
I mean, uh, oftentimes the joke with standards are, uh, that there are several things that you never, ever wanna see made.
Uh, the second thing that they mention, uh, is law, and then, uh, a, a close third to both of those would probably be standards.
So, um, the standards that ANVA, uh, has been involved in and that FaceTech is involved in, and, and as you point out, you know, many other companies, uh, are normally done, uh, under the, uh, banner or the umbrella of an organization like, uh, ISO, um, the International Organization for Standardization.
Um, and of course it is, uh, a process where there has to be, um, consensus building, uh, around what ultimately makes its way, uh, into the standards, and then the standards are, um, eventually voted on by the national standards bodies.
Uh, and so being, uh, in the US, um, the American, uh, National Standards Institute is the, uh, US vote, uh, on things that happen inside of ISO.
Um, and, and really the driver license standards, you know, ultimately have always been about achieving three things.
Um, trying to provide standardization so that a license is ultimately, uh, secure, that there is uniformity, uh, in the way that a relying individual, uh, would be able to inter- interact with it and, and there would be enough uniformity there that you'd get the familiarity benefits.
Uh, and the interoperability really relates more, um, to those automated benefits, uh, that have been made possible through machine-readable technologies, be them...
In, in the old, old days it was magnetic stripes, uh, and then from there, uh, we saw things like, uh, two-dimensional barcodes, uh, integrated circuit.
Uh, there are other media, uh, that have been used for, uh, machine-readable technologies, like optical memory.
Um, but where things have certainly settled out, uh, in the, um, digital identity community, uh, is more, um, sort of a focus around wallets, digital wallets, and things that people, uh, are able to carry around on their mobile devices.
Uh, and, and sort of an inescapable, and I think that this goes back into a conversation around fake IDs, uh, an inescapable reality is that we will definitely continue to have lots and lots and lots of physical identification credentials, uh, in the mix for the foreseeable future.
And, um, I find it a little curious that there are people, uh, in the ID security world that sort of see it as a fait accompli, uh, that, uh, physical documents are dead or they're going away.
Um, they, they, they absolutely aren't, and so whatever, uh, the community does, um, has to have in mind both the physical as well as the digital, uh, identification credentials, uh, that are, that are out there.
I mean, uh, oftentimes the joke with standards are, uh, that there are several things that you never, ever wanna see made.
Uh, the second thing that they mention, uh, is law, and then, uh, a, a close third to both of those would probably be standards.
So, um, the standards that ANVA, uh, has been involved in and that FaceTech is involved in, and, and as you point out, you know, many other companies, uh, are normally done, uh, under the, uh, banner or the umbrella of an organization like, uh, ISO, um, the International Organization for Standardization.
Um, and of course it is, uh, a process where there has to be, um, consensus building, uh, around what ultimately makes its way, uh, into the standards, and then the standards are, um, eventually voted on by the national standards bodies.
Uh, and so being, uh, in the US, um, the American, uh, National Standards Institute is the, uh, US vote, uh, on things that happen inside of ISO.
Um, and, and really the driver license standards, you know, ultimately have always been about achieving three things.
Um, trying to provide standardization so that a license is ultimately, uh, secure, that there is uniformity, uh, in the way that a relying individual, uh, would be able to inter- interact with it and, and there would be enough uniformity there that you'd get the familiarity benefits.
Uh, and the interoperability really relates more, um, to those automated benefits, uh, that have been made possible through machine-readable technologies, be them...
In, in the old, old days it was magnetic stripes, uh, and then from there, uh, we saw things like, uh, two-dimensional barcodes, uh, integrated circuit.
Uh, there are other media, uh, that have been used for, uh, machine-readable technologies, like optical memory.
Um, but where things have certainly settled out, uh, in the, um, digital identity community, uh, is more, um, sort of a focus around wallets, digital wallets, and things that people, uh, are able to carry around on their mobile devices.
Uh, and, and sort of an inescapable, and I think that this goes back into a conversation around fake IDs, uh, an inescapable reality is that we will definitely continue to have lots and lots and lots of physical identification credentials, uh, in the mix for the foreseeable future.
And, um, I find it a little curious that there are people, uh, in the ID security world that sort of see it as a fait accompli, uh, that, uh, physical documents are dead or they're going away.
Um, they, they, they absolutely aren't, and so whatever, uh, the community does, um, has to have in mind both the physical as well as the digital, uh, identification credentials, uh, that are, that are out there.
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