Jul 16, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 11 segments
Search is often just 10% of a lender's marketing mix — but Ross Cohen makes the case that it's the most powerful channel for experimentation and the best "shock absorber" when direct mail or…
Ross CohenGuestCarlos CarroHost
And, you know, we've talked a little bit about this, but I've listened to enough of other episodes of the podcast to know that the framework seems to generally be 40% or so from affiliates, 40% or so from direct mail, 10% from search, 10% from social, all rough.

The reason I think search is so cool is because of its value for experimentation.

But I would much rather, you know, as opposed to getting a report that said, oh, we did a bunch of interviews and 30 people thought this was a good idea.

I'd much rather know, oh, I dropped this in market and I had 30 people actually apply for this product.

We can have an idea today and, you know, a day or two out, I have a rough sense of what's going on.
I work with a lot of lenders that do basically the mix you described, 40% affiliate, 40% mail.
So 80% of your volume is stuck on channels with actually pretty long cycle times.
You can influence the affiliates, but you can't actually move the pieces around.
And then with mail, you're talking months, you know, between intent and hitting the market.

And, you know, we've talked a little bit about this, but I've listened to enough of other episodes of the podcast to know that the framework seems to generally be 40% or so from affiliates, 40% or so from direct mail, 10% from search, 10% from social, all rough.

The reason I think search is so cool is because of its value for experimentation.

But I would much rather, you know, as opposed to getting a report that said, oh, we did a bunch of interviews and 30 people thought this was a good idea.

I'd much rather know, oh, I dropped this in market and I had 30 people actually apply for this product.

We can have an idea today and, you know, a day or two out, I have a rough sense of what's going on.
I work with a lot of lenders that do basically the mix you described, 40% affiliate, 40% mail.
So 80% of your volume is stuck on channels with actually pretty long cycle times.
You can influence the affiliates, but you can't actually move the pieces around.
And then with mail, you're talking months, you know, between intent and hitting the market.
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