The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast
Sep 15, 2026 · 29 min · 10 segments
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Pete ScazzeroHost
So let me ask you, what if you succeed brilliantly at something in your life, at something God perhaps never asked you to do? Is it possible to succeed at the wrong thing? What if others are applauding you for things that God has not even asked you to do? We live in a culture with powerful scorecards about what success looks like, growth, bigger, better, influence, more visibility and power, money, achievement, you name it, productivity.

And it's just easy for us, so easy, it's so common for us as Christians and ministries to just take those scorecards of what success is, and we just bring it into the church.

What does success actually look like to God? So a bit of a story that exposed my own wrong definition of success.


growing the ministry numerically, greater power, fulfilling the Great Commission, going to make disciples of all nations, maximizing my gifts and talents, as well as maximizing the talents and gifts of everybody around us as we built this community.

And I saw clearly, at least in other people initially, that a person can be doing a lot and apparently growing a ministry, and yet... internally becoming less and less like Jesus.

And in one of the congregations we planted, we were one church in two languages and our Spanish congregation in the afternoon split.

And I ended up on a descent for a couple of years that I would never have chosen.

Questions like, what happens when what I'm building, what I'm investing my life in, is not producing the kind of results I had hoped? how much of this actually is about me not being a loser, and who am I when I don't appear successful, at least by the standards everyone's put around me, and the world's standards, the church's standards.

And I realized that I had spent a good part of my leadership life, my ministry, succeeding at things for God that he never asked me to do.

So let me ask you, what if you succeed brilliantly at something in your life, at something God perhaps never asked you to do? Is it possible to succeed at the wrong thing? What if others are applauding you for things that God has not even asked you to do? We live in a culture with powerful scorecards about what success looks like, growth, bigger, better, influence, more visibility and power, money, achievement, you name it, productivity.

And it's just easy for us, so easy, it's so common for us as Christians and ministries to just take those scorecards of what success is, and we just bring it into the church.

What does success actually look like to God? So a bit of a story that exposed my own wrong definition of success.


growing the ministry numerically, greater power, fulfilling the Great Commission, going to make disciples of all nations, maximizing my gifts and talents, as well as maximizing the talents and gifts of everybody around us as we built this community.

And I saw clearly, at least in other people initially, that a person can be doing a lot and apparently growing a ministry, and yet... internally becoming less and less like Jesus.

And in one of the congregations we planted, we were one church in two languages and our Spanish congregation in the afternoon split.

And I ended up on a descent for a couple of years that I would never have chosen.

Questions like, what happens when what I'm building, what I'm investing my life in, is not producing the kind of results I had hoped? how much of this actually is about me not being a loser, and who am I when I don't appear successful, at least by the standards everyone's put around me, and the world's standards, the church's standards.

And I realized that I had spent a good part of my leadership life, my ministry, succeeding at things for God that he never asked me to do.
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