Oct 27, 2026 · 42 min · 18 segments
Take a listen back to one of our favorite -- and perhaps most politically important -- episodes from season one. In it, we connect the dots between politicians and big, corrupt businesses like MLMs…
Jane MarieHost
Daniel KleinGuest
Joe Brownman was confused and a little bummed because he had presented all this evidence that in earlier trials had won him those cases.
blah, blah.
And he was telling me about some of the political connections that the founders of Amway, J.
Jay Van Andel was the head of the Chamber of Commerce and Dick DeVos was the finance chair of the Republican National Committee, which meant he was getting a lot of money for candidates.
But actually, what I found out is that the Amway trial was just the start of the story.
Amway and their cohorts in the industry started inserting themselves more and more into national politics until essentially they were the politicians.
Thankfully, Robert Fitzpatrick has been piecing a lot of this information together.
Joe Brownman was confused and a little bummed because he had presented all this evidence that in earlier trials had won him those cases.
blah, blah.
And he was telling me about some of the political connections that the founders of Amway, J.
Jay Van Andel was the head of the Chamber of Commerce and Dick DeVos was the finance chair of the Republican National Committee, which meant he was getting a lot of money for candidates.
But actually, what I found out is that the Amway trial was just the start of the story.
Amway and their cohorts in the industry started inserting themselves more and more into national politics until essentially they were the politicians.
Thankfully, Robert Fitzpatrick has been piecing a lot of this information together.
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