Passing Out Before World Championships
His career faced an unsettling health mystery.
The CITIUS MAG Podcast | A Running + Track and Field Show
Jan 30, 2026 · 46 min · 13 segments
“Last year, I came into the indoor season with the sole goal of breaking 3:50 in the mile… That was the big goal to tick off. I thought I'd maybe have a shot at running 3:48-high or 3:49-low to mid…
Cameron MyersGuest
Chris ChavezHost
okay so going back to this past weekend's performance I did see just sort of that Australian like statistics account that put something out that you're because I think now you're in company with the likes of Elliot Kipchoge Jacob Kiplimo Jakob Ingebrigtsen as I think the only guys to get under what was it it was it seven under 730 or I think that's what it might have been before the age of 20 or whatever it was and i guess like when stats like that get thrown around i mean at this point because you're so used to it over the last couple years with age group records and all that stuff does it do anything for your confidence

i wouldn't say it does much for my confidence it's it's just uh it's nice to see a list with those sort of names um and you know mine also involved i feel like uh and it also probably gives me the confidence in knowing that maybe later on in my career i could probably move up because you see a lot of those guys are more distance orientated so um it does give me some sort of i guess validity that maybe in the future i could step up and do a good 5k so yeah it's a nice list for sure

i remember a couple years ago you did an interview with like the the inside uh inside running guys and there was something that they brought up just sort of and this was kind of the first signs of just like this maturity that you've just shown over over the last couple years and in your approach to the sport is that I think they brought up as like, oh, are Jakob's age group records just simply like the targets for you? And you said something like no.

It's like you know that, you know, progress in that trajectory isn't linear all the time.

When did you first sort of start to instill that in your head? Because someone's so young, like, and we're seeing it with Sam Ruth where it's like, all right, it's, here's the 16 year old mile record.

But, you know, I guess for you, you never really let yourself get trapped into the comparison game.

I'm more focused on like, I guess, improving in training, whether that be improving just based on, you know, seeing that my threshold's gone up or my mileage over time's gone up, my speed's getting quicker, stuff like that.

I think, you know, times aren't always the best reflection of how well you're tracking and the progress that you're making.

So I feel like I've always had that sort of instilled in me that even though maybe I won't progress year to year based on time, and I think even in 2024, I actually didn't run a PB, but I knew that I was still improving as an athlete and I was still getting better.

But, you know, you just kind of have to like say, okay, the times aren't coming right now, but I know that I'm still progressing and I'm at a better level than I am last year.

I mean, even like with guys like Sam Ruth, Laros and Jakob, they're all guys that, you know, I guess continued to improve and develop year on year.

okay so going back to this past weekend's performance I did see just sort of that Australian like statistics account that put something out that you're because I think now you're in company with the likes of Elliot Kipchoge Jacob Kiplimo Jakob Ingebrigtsen as I think the only guys to get under what was it it was it seven under 730 or I think that's what it might have been before the age of 20 or whatever it was and i guess like when stats like that get thrown around i mean at this point because you're so used to it over the last couple years with age group records and all that stuff does it do anything for your confidence

i wouldn't say it does much for my confidence it's it's just uh it's nice to see a list with those sort of names um and you know mine also involved i feel like uh and it also probably gives me the confidence in knowing that maybe later on in my career i could probably move up because you see a lot of those guys are more distance orientated so um it does give me some sort of i guess validity that maybe in the future i could step up and do a good 5k so yeah it's a nice list for sure

i remember a couple years ago you did an interview with like the the inside uh inside running guys and there was something that they brought up just sort of and this was kind of the first signs of just like this maturity that you've just shown over over the last couple years and in your approach to the sport is that I think they brought up as like, oh, are Jakob's age group records just simply like the targets for you? And you said something like no.

It's like you know that, you know, progress in that trajectory isn't linear all the time.

When did you first sort of start to instill that in your head? Because someone's so young, like, and we're seeing it with Sam Ruth where it's like, all right, it's, here's the 16 year old mile record.

But, you know, I guess for you, you never really let yourself get trapped into the comparison game.

I'm more focused on like, I guess, improving in training, whether that be improving just based on, you know, seeing that my threshold's gone up or my mileage over time's gone up, my speed's getting quicker, stuff like that.

I think, you know, times aren't always the best reflection of how well you're tracking and the progress that you're making.

So I feel like I've always had that sort of instilled in me that even though maybe I won't progress year to year based on time, and I think even in 2024, I actually didn't run a PB, but I knew that I was still improving as an athlete and I was still getting better.

But, you know, you just kind of have to like say, okay, the times aren't coming right now, but I know that I'm still progressing and I'm at a better level than I am last year.

I mean, even like with guys like Sam Ruth, Laros and Jakob, they're all guys that, you know, I guess continued to improve and develop year on year.
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