Dopamine Is Wanting, Not Pleasure
She redefines dopamine in five unexpected sentences
May 27, 2026 · 56 min · 12 segments
In Part 1 of this powerful conversation, Tammy Schamuhn sits down with Michaeleen Doucleff, author of Dopamine Kids, to explore what is really happening in children’s brains when they beg for more…
Yeah, you know, and the way we think about it actually isn't, is really important because it, it, the way we talk about it, the way we think about it, like, changes the meaning, right? Of, and, and changes our desire for things.
I was studying dopamine, and I was studying, like, how screens affect my brain, and, you know, why was I so addicted to my phone.
That's wh- how this all started, and I started to realize, like, oh, wow, like, dopamine is not what I thought it was and what I had been taught in grad school and undergrad.
And, and once I could see what it really was, it really made me a, like, a powerful parent.
So I think you challenge in this book one of the most widely accepted ideas, that dopamine is pleasure.
Like, when we, you know, when we use a screen, when we eat the chocolate, adults watching pornography or teenagers, like, dopamine feels good, so we chase it.
Like, you're chasing a high, like cocaine or nicotine or any other, like, stimulant or something that's addictive.
But there's a sh- there's a caveat here, and, like, this, like, turned it on its end for me, where I'm like, I don't know, I think I, I was explaining it wrong.
And so what do, what do parents need to understand? What is, like, what does dopamine do? Like, so let's just break this down from, like, the ground zero here.
So yeah, so the idea that dopamine equals pleasure, and the more dopamine we have, the more pleasure we have, the happier we feel.
This comes from research in the 1950s, and it dates way back then, and it's gotten kind of stuck in our culture, and it actually got stuck in science for a long time, too.
And about 30 years ago, there started to be some experiments out at the University of Michigan that started to question this, this hypothesis, that dopamine equals pleasure, and that we do things only for pleasure.
Like, the, the reason why we tap, tap, tap, scroll, scroll, scroll, and eat, eat, eat is because it just gives us so much pleasure, endless pleasure.
And in the past 30 years or so, neuroscientists and behavioral psychology have amassed a huge amount of evidence saying that's not, that's not quite right.
Actually, dopamine is the molecule that gives us the feeling of wanting and desire, and over time it can make us feel craving, so desire that's urgent, right?It also gives us motivation and a willingness to work.
Yeah, you know, and the way we think about it actually isn't, is really important because it, it, the way we talk about it, the way we think about it, like, changes the meaning, right? Of, and, and changes our desire for things.
I was studying dopamine, and I was studying, like, how screens affect my brain, and, you know, why was I so addicted to my phone.
That's wh- how this all started, and I started to realize, like, oh, wow, like, dopamine is not what I thought it was and what I had been taught in grad school and undergrad.
And, and once I could see what it really was, it really made me a, like, a powerful parent.
So I think you challenge in this book one of the most widely accepted ideas, that dopamine is pleasure.
Like, when we, you know, when we use a screen, when we eat the chocolate, adults watching pornography or teenagers, like, dopamine feels good, so we chase it.
Like, you're chasing a high, like cocaine or nicotine or any other, like, stimulant or something that's addictive.
But there's a sh- there's a caveat here, and, like, this, like, turned it on its end for me, where I'm like, I don't know, I think I, I was explaining it wrong.
And so what do, what do parents need to understand? What is, like, what does dopamine do? Like, so let's just break this down from, like, the ground zero here.
So yeah, so the idea that dopamine equals pleasure, and the more dopamine we have, the more pleasure we have, the happier we feel.
This comes from research in the 1950s, and it dates way back then, and it's gotten kind of stuck in our culture, and it actually got stuck in science for a long time, too.
And about 30 years ago, there started to be some experiments out at the University of Michigan that started to question this, this hypothesis, that dopamine equals pleasure, and that we do things only for pleasure.
Like, the, the reason why we tap, tap, tap, scroll, scroll, scroll, and eat, eat, eat is because it just gives us so much pleasure, endless pleasure.
And in the past 30 years or so, neuroscientists and behavioral psychology have amassed a huge amount of evidence saying that's not, that's not quite right.
Actually, dopamine is the molecule that gives us the feeling of wanting and desire, and over time it can make us feel craving, so desire that's urgent, right?It also gives us motivation and a willingness to work.
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