The Called to Flourish Podcast
Sep 21, 2026 · 42 min · 13 segments
A leader's metrics can be strong and their mission moving forward while their soul quietly erodes underneath — and most leaders miss it until it becomes a crisis. This conversation with Mindy…
Mindy CaliguireGuest
Robert WachterHost
right a situation yeah um i like i've often said he he will make you lie down In green pastures.
I think the dilemma you're addressing or surfacing is really hard for us to wrap our heads around because we live in a world that is so focused on the exterior.
This is true in general culture, but it can also be true in Christian culture, that if everything looks fine on the outside, we assume everything's fine on the inside.
And so when all the metrics of an organization are up and to the right, We don't have a way of looking at or thinking about what could be actually going on if there's a quiet, silent erosion of the interior life.
And sadly, I think it's an utterly predictable thing to happen if it's not intentionally pushed against, if it's not intentionally pursued against.
the life of better, stronger, faster, harder, more and more results on the outside, if it does not have an intentional attendant replenishment strategy that sits alongside all of those great results, which we love the results, we love the mission, we love all that stuff.
But if we do not have a intentional embedded process of restoring the life of those leaders precisely in the midst of the doing, it's just utterly predictable.
There will be, there will be a silent erosion because the applause from the outside is the driver becomes the driver.
Except we don't like what happens and hits the press releases and the news headlines when that erosion becomes the beginning of a flame out.
And we always say we're trying to get on the preventative side of the burnout, the flame out, and the dropout.
right a situation yeah um i like i've often said he he will make you lie down In green pastures.
I think the dilemma you're addressing or surfacing is really hard for us to wrap our heads around because we live in a world that is so focused on the exterior.
This is true in general culture, but it can also be true in Christian culture, that if everything looks fine on the outside, we assume everything's fine on the inside.
And so when all the metrics of an organization are up and to the right, We don't have a way of looking at or thinking about what could be actually going on if there's a quiet, silent erosion of the interior life.
And sadly, I think it's an utterly predictable thing to happen if it's not intentionally pushed against, if it's not intentionally pursued against.
the life of better, stronger, faster, harder, more and more results on the outside, if it does not have an intentional attendant replenishment strategy that sits alongside all of those great results, which we love the results, we love the mission, we love all that stuff.
But if we do not have a intentional embedded process of restoring the life of those leaders precisely in the midst of the doing, it's just utterly predictable.
There will be, there will be a silent erosion because the applause from the outside is the driver becomes the driver.
Except we don't like what happens and hits the press releases and the news headlines when that erosion becomes the beginning of a flame out.
And we always say we're trying to get on the preventative side of the burnout, the flame out, and the dropout.
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