Willow Creek Association

And when we went to church on Sunday morning, we went to what's now the village back in college.

So, but they were a Willow Creek Association church.

I'm not, there's no smoke.

Invisible hand is still manipulating things, right? Just working me over, bro, without even me knowing it.

I've been involved at large churches at Willow Creek, working in spiritual formation there.

I've been at the Willow Creek Association, helping them help churches on the topic of transformation of which culture is a key factor of the framework we were building around.

And then I worked for a tech company here in Boulder, Colorado called Glue that you probably are aware of, a lot of others are.

And I worked with them for nine years or so, but all really since the church planting days was when I had some collapse of my own interior as a leader that made no sense to me.