The Business of Video Games Podcast
Jul 24, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 11 segments
Shams and Fernando bring on their buddy Jon Shafer (former Lead Designer on Civ V) to cut through the noise and break down the actual state of PC gaming post-Steam Next Fest! Spoiler alert: that…
Jon ShaferGuest
Shams JorjaniHostFernando RizzoHostI think it's obviously something that works, but I'm not sure it's a great fit for every developer.
[laughs]
Yeah, we could talk about your indie, we could talk about your indie career, Shams.
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