Jody McHughGuest
Claire MarshallHost
So to this point in your life, for many people, you- you've been let down by, uh, your family, by the, the people that are meant to love you the most, by the system.

Um, you- you've had letdown after letdown, uh, and so much adversity at such a young age.

For many people, that would be enough to, to maybe make the, the decision of if you can't beat them, join them.

And, and, and I know that you, you seem to have a very different motivating system and attitude whereby you've been able to take the threads of the people that have helped you and, and use that to build a completely different life to the one that typically you might have ended up being embroiled in.

So I'd love to kind of just tap into that a little bit because we- we're gonna go into what, what you want to do with that story now, which I think is fascinating.

But I'd love to just hear from you what, what it is that, w- or, or whether there was a moment or whether there's so- there's something in you that you think has made you choose the path you've chosen versus what might have been the easier path back then.

So I'd love to say that I got out and went straight to college and became the perfect example of a, you know, society, you know, asset.

So, um, but I got out and within, let me get it right, nine, 11 months, I came home and found my father dead, and I was on the street after that.

I realized this is the dumbest way to be in life, 'cause it's just a matter of time before you're gonna pay for all of this.

But is that because you get to a point where, where there's so many things that seem to be weighted against you that it's almost like a survival? It's like, it's either crime or, or I, or I die.

So to this point in your life, for many people, you- you've been let down by, uh, your family, by the, the people that are meant to love you the most, by the system.

Um, you- you've had letdown after letdown, uh, and so much adversity at such a young age.

For many people, that would be enough to, to maybe make the, the decision of if you can't beat them, join them.

And, and, and I know that you, you seem to have a very different motivating system and attitude whereby you've been able to take the threads of the people that have helped you and, and use that to build a completely different life to the one that typically you might have ended up being embroiled in.

So I'd love to kind of just tap into that a little bit because we- we're gonna go into what, what you want to do with that story now, which I think is fascinating.

But I'd love to just hear from you what, what it is that, w- or, or whether there was a moment or whether there's so- there's something in you that you think has made you choose the path you've chosen versus what might have been the easier path back then.

So I'd love to say that I got out and went straight to college and became the perfect example of a, you know, society, you know, asset.

So, um, but I got out and within, let me get it right, nine, 11 months, I came home and found my father dead, and I was on the street after that.

I realized this is the dumbest way to be in life, 'cause it's just a matter of time before you're gonna pay for all of this.

But is that because you get to a point where, where there's so many things that seem to be weighted against you that it's almost like a survival? It's like, it's either crime or, or I, or I die.
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