Taylearning: A Taylor Swift Podcast
Oct 14, 2026 · 1 hr 24 min · 24 segments
Welcome back to The Muses: Joe Alwyn! We know we’ve left you waiting, but we are so excited to be back to continue our beloved Muses series to pick it up where we left off with this pair. We left…
Joe Alwyn, part four, but he tolerates it.
[singing] [laughs] That never gets less funny to me.
Sorry.
Okay, so we are in the year 2020 still.
Still, and I say still because if you're coming off the heels of part three, feels like we've been in 2020 forever at this point-
For real
... which is kind of, kind of what it felt like to live 2020.
[laughs] So true, though.
And it is December 8th, and the reason that we left off where we did is because while we did not know it at the time, on December 8th we were entering the Evermore era.
Oh, what a time.
On December 8th, Taylor was interviewed by Entertainment Weekly as one of their Entertainers of the Year.
She would grace the cover of the January 2021 physical issue later on, but we're in December 2020 here.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
And we have a couple of excerpts here that we are going to read off that are relevant to the timeline specifically.
Though, as always, with all of these big profile interviews with Taylor Swift, we highly recommend that you go read them yourself because she is just, ugh, she's just so good with words.
[laughs]
Agree.
I love it.
Quote, "He is my co-writer on Betty (An Exile)", end quote, replies Taylor Swift with deadpan precision.
The question, who is William Bowery, was, at the time we spoke, one of 2020's great mysteries, right up there with the existence of Joe Exotic and the sudden arrival of murder hornets.
An unknown writer credited on the year's biggest album? It must be an alias.
Quote, "It's early November after Election Day, but before Swift eventually revealed Bowery's true identity to the world, the leading theory, that he was boyfriend Joe Alwyn, proved prescient.
But like all Swiftian riddles, it was fun to puzzle over for months, particularly in this hot mess of a year when brief distractions are as comforting as a well-worn cardigan.
Thankfully, the Bowery, ahem, Alwyn-assisted folklore, a Swift project filled with muted pianos and whisper-quiet snares, recorded in secret with Jack Antonoff and The National's Aaron Dessner, delivered." Quote, "The only people who knew were the people I was making it with: my boyfriend, my family, and a small management team," Swift, 30, tells EW of the album's hush-hush recording sessions.
Joe Alwyn, part four, but he tolerates it.
[singing] [laughs] That never gets less funny to me.
Sorry.
Okay, so we are in the year 2020 still.
Still, and I say still because if you're coming off the heels of part three, feels like we've been in 2020 forever at this point-
For real
... which is kind of, kind of what it felt like to live 2020.
[laughs] So true, though.
And it is December 8th, and the reason that we left off where we did is because while we did not know it at the time, on December 8th we were entering the Evermore era.
Oh, what a time.
On December 8th, Taylor was interviewed by Entertainment Weekly as one of their Entertainers of the Year.
She would grace the cover of the January 2021 physical issue later on, but we're in December 2020 here.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
And we have a couple of excerpts here that we are going to read off that are relevant to the timeline specifically.
Though, as always, with all of these big profile interviews with Taylor Swift, we highly recommend that you go read them yourself because she is just, ugh, she's just so good with words.
[laughs]
Agree.
I love it.
Quote, "He is my co-writer on Betty (An Exile)", end quote, replies Taylor Swift with deadpan precision.
The question, who is William Bowery, was, at the time we spoke, one of 2020's great mysteries, right up there with the existence of Joe Exotic and the sudden arrival of murder hornets.
An unknown writer credited on the year's biggest album? It must be an alias.
Quote, "It's early November after Election Day, but before Swift eventually revealed Bowery's true identity to the world, the leading theory, that he was boyfriend Joe Alwyn, proved prescient.
But like all Swiftian riddles, it was fun to puzzle over for months, particularly in this hot mess of a year when brief distractions are as comforting as a well-worn cardigan.
Thankfully, the Bowery, ahem, Alwyn-assisted folklore, a Swift project filled with muted pianos and whisper-quiet snares, recorded in secret with Jack Antonoff and The National's Aaron Dessner, delivered." Quote, "The only people who knew were the people I was making it with: my boyfriend, my family, and a small management team," Swift, 30, tells EW of the album's hush-hush recording sessions.
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