Jun 5, 2026 · 1 hr 5 min · 10 segments
Tonight on Summer Album / Winter Album: Tusk. 1979. Our special guest: Poet and essayist Hanif Abdurraqib. Jody Avirgan is arguing Summer, Craig Finn is arguing Winter. Craig won the coin toss. He…
Hanif AbdurraqibGuest
Jody AvirganHost
Craig FinnHostIan Wheeler
[upbeat music] Jodi, since we started this podcast, we've examined some classic records, records that I felt very strongly about, records that soundtracked important life moments, records that I listened to the day they came out, records that I felt had become an inherent part of my person.
And it's been fun to put these albums that I've considered deeply through the binary summer/winter exercise that we do here.
In most cases, it's led to a greater understanding of a record that I've loved to some degree.
Why don't you ask him if he's gonna stay? Why don't you-
I always knew there was a record called Tusk, and that it was a commercial disappointment following the mega smash, Rumours.
But, you know, what wouldn't be a commercial disappointment after Rumours? So yeah, this was Fleetwood Mac's Fairweather Johnson.
Just tell me that you want me.
Just say that you want me.
Why?
I vaguely remember early MTV showing the video with the USC marching band, but I couldn't remember what song it was for until I looked it up.
Probably my biggest memory about Fleetwood Mac's Tusk is that Camper Van Beethoven did a full album cover of it in 2003, but I can't remember if I listened to Camper's version or the original material at the time, and I'm someone who prides themselves on their good memory.
I definitely put on Tusk a few years back after hearing it spoken in reverent tones, and I was then shocked at the sound of the record.
As we know, Lindsey Buckingham wanted to make a record that sounded nothing like Rumours, and was also enthralled with sort of post-punk stuff like the Talking Heads, et cetera.
[upbeat music] And so the first time I paid attention to Tusk, I was taken by how much it had in common with some modern, like, 2000s-style music.
In fact, yesterday I spent more time with Tusk than in my previous 50 years combined.
Yesterday, of course, we woke up to the beautiful snowfall that Brooklyn experienced.
[upbeat music] Jodi, since we started this podcast, we've examined some classic records, records that I felt very strongly about, records that soundtracked important life moments, records that I listened to the day they came out, records that I felt had become an inherent part of my person.
And it's been fun to put these albums that I've considered deeply through the binary summer/winter exercise that we do here.
In most cases, it's led to a greater understanding of a record that I've loved to some degree.
Why don't you ask him if he's gonna stay? Why don't you-
I always knew there was a record called Tusk, and that it was a commercial disappointment following the mega smash, Rumours.
But, you know, what wouldn't be a commercial disappointment after Rumours? So yeah, this was Fleetwood Mac's Fairweather Johnson.
Just tell me that you want me.
Just say that you want me.
Why?
I vaguely remember early MTV showing the video with the USC marching band, but I couldn't remember what song it was for until I looked it up.
Probably my biggest memory about Fleetwood Mac's Tusk is that Camper Van Beethoven did a full album cover of it in 2003, but I can't remember if I listened to Camper's version or the original material at the time, and I'm someone who prides themselves on their good memory.
I definitely put on Tusk a few years back after hearing it spoken in reverent tones, and I was then shocked at the sound of the record.
As we know, Lindsey Buckingham wanted to make a record that sounded nothing like Rumours, and was also enthralled with sort of post-punk stuff like the Talking Heads, et cetera.
[upbeat music] And so the first time I paid attention to Tusk, I was taken by how much it had in common with some modern, like, 2000s-style music.
In fact, yesterday I spent more time with Tusk than in my previous 50 years combined.
Yesterday, of course, we woke up to the beautiful snowfall that Brooklyn experienced.
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