Still Human: Real Talk in the Age of AI
Sep 15, 2026 · 56 min · 12 segments
Sunaina Aytan is the AI Security Lead at BAE Systems and a UN Women UK delegate. She started her career as an ethical hacker, paid to break into companies' systems so they could find out what was…
Nadia KoskiHost
But moving towards indications about what it is to think about in like the technical side of getting hacked, right? So I think everyone has, hopefully not everyone, but a lot of people I know have been like, oh, my Facebook got hacked.
Oh, my Instagram got hacked, right? And if now we're looking at this on these huge amounts of data that these tools and platforms have, that's a whole different story.
So what's something that, let's say, You know, a lot of people say not if you get hacked, but when you'll get hacked, because it's technology and hackers are getting smarter and smarter.
What is the mindset shift that we have to make now, both as from a technical viewpoint, but also just from like an individual viewpoint of how to be more protective of our data and ourselves, especially with AI now in the picture?
My favorite phrase is, don't think I can ever be hacked or my company is super secure and it's just not going to happen.
And everything is hackable doesn't mean that it's going to happen to you, but everything is hackable.
And when I'm, you know, because technically my position's at a C-level, so when I'm talking to business process owners or just C-level execs, that's something that I'm always sharing with them.
So don't be scared of having this mindset that, oh, you know, Gosh, we can be hacked one day.
And then from then, you can really start understanding what your organizational risks are.
Because instead of being like, oh, what if, what if, what if? Like, this is the plan for preparation.
And then, you know, you don't want to have, you know, it's really difficult when you're working with people that are saying, well, we don't ever want to be hacked.
And then you have to, again, go down this educational path of saying, well, there's no guarantee.
If someone's going to break into your house, they're going to break into your house.
But moving towards indications about what it is to think about in like the technical side of getting hacked, right? So I think everyone has, hopefully not everyone, but a lot of people I know have been like, oh, my Facebook got hacked.
Oh, my Instagram got hacked, right? And if now we're looking at this on these huge amounts of data that these tools and platforms have, that's a whole different story.
So what's something that, let's say, You know, a lot of people say not if you get hacked, but when you'll get hacked, because it's technology and hackers are getting smarter and smarter.
What is the mindset shift that we have to make now, both as from a technical viewpoint, but also just from like an individual viewpoint of how to be more protective of our data and ourselves, especially with AI now in the picture?
My favorite phrase is, don't think I can ever be hacked or my company is super secure and it's just not going to happen.
And everything is hackable doesn't mean that it's going to happen to you, but everything is hackable.
And when I'm, you know, because technically my position's at a C-level, so when I'm talking to business process owners or just C-level execs, that's something that I'm always sharing with them.
So don't be scared of having this mindset that, oh, you know, Gosh, we can be hacked one day.
And then from then, you can really start understanding what your organizational risks are.
Because instead of being like, oh, what if, what if, what if? Like, this is the plan for preparation.
And then, you know, you don't want to have, you know, it's really difficult when you're working with people that are saying, well, we don't ever want to be hacked.
And then you have to, again, go down this educational path of saying, well, there's no guarantee.
If someone's going to break into your house, they're going to break into your house.
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