Social Entrepreneurship and Sustainability Show
Aug 15, 2026 · 33 min · 12 segments
Welcome to Season 4 of the Social Entrepreneurship and Sustainability Show*.* In this episode, Dr Faiz speaks with Stephen Minix, Vice President of Community at UpMetrics, about why collaboration…
I think that's important.
But sometimes, okay, from just our listeners, right, the social enterprises or entrepreneurs that they are listening today, they're thinking like, you know, collecting data is one more thing, but compiling these reports, like it's almost impossible to get the SROI out.
Some people have to pay up to $5,000 just to get this figure out and just say, now you have this data, you want to build this trust.
But how do people make useful this data to be able to serve them to the funders? Like you mentioned just now, the funders need to know what you're doing and how do you present this to them? Yeah,
OK, all right, all right.
right so the here's like like because too much information is just too much information if i have more data than i ever need i don't really know what's going on because i haven't made sense of what i'm trying to learn or what the data means or what is the data right like so if i'm teaching kids to play basketball in watts south los angeles and i'm measuring their shoe size people might be like why are you doing that
yeah
i'm like Because they're basketball players and I just measure their shoe size.
Is it for inventory? Are you buying shoes for them? Why are you measuring? It doesn't map unless you have a reason why you're measuring it.
So I think sometimes in the nonprofit world, the NGO world, the social enterprise world, folks tend to just try to measure whatever they can to see if there's something there because they think someone's going to ask for it.
And that person that's going to ask for it usually is the person with the money, the grant officer, or the government that gave out the money.
The reality is, though, if we get people to understand, what are you trying to do first? What do you exist to do? Great.
What are your themes and the programs that you fund? And how do you know that what you're doing works? If we get individual organizations, nonprofits especially, to understand that, and most of them do, it's just kind of all over the place because they tend to drift to get more money to get more opportunity to do what they want to do.
So the best thing you can do is understand what are you trying to do? Our program exists to teach young people to fish.
How do you know it works? Well, at the end of the year, we count how many fish our kids caught.
I think that's important.
But sometimes, okay, from just our listeners, right, the social enterprises or entrepreneurs that they are listening today, they're thinking like, you know, collecting data is one more thing, but compiling these reports, like it's almost impossible to get the SROI out.
Some people have to pay up to $5,000 just to get this figure out and just say, now you have this data, you want to build this trust.
But how do people make useful this data to be able to serve them to the funders? Like you mentioned just now, the funders need to know what you're doing and how do you present this to them? Yeah,
OK, all right, all right.
right so the here's like like because too much information is just too much information if i have more data than i ever need i don't really know what's going on because i haven't made sense of what i'm trying to learn or what the data means or what is the data right like so if i'm teaching kids to play basketball in watts south los angeles and i'm measuring their shoe size people might be like why are you doing that
yeah
i'm like Because they're basketball players and I just measure their shoe size.
Is it for inventory? Are you buying shoes for them? Why are you measuring? It doesn't map unless you have a reason why you're measuring it.
So I think sometimes in the nonprofit world, the NGO world, the social enterprise world, folks tend to just try to measure whatever they can to see if there's something there because they think someone's going to ask for it.
And that person that's going to ask for it usually is the person with the money, the grant officer, or the government that gave out the money.
The reality is, though, if we get people to understand, what are you trying to do first? What do you exist to do? Great.
What are your themes and the programs that you fund? And how do you know that what you're doing works? If we get individual organizations, nonprofits especially, to understand that, and most of them do, it's just kind of all over the place because they tend to drift to get more money to get more opportunity to do what they want to do.
So the best thing you can do is understand what are you trying to do? Our program exists to teach young people to fish.
How do you know it works? Well, at the end of the year, we count how many fish our kids caught.
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