Bechoros 17a

Atah Rav Hoshaya, Rav Hoshaya came, minahardeya, from Nehardea.

Va'iti manina bi yaden, he brought a braita with him, and the braita actually says as follows, racha bar ez v'ez bar rachel rav meir mechayav v'chachamim porzim.

He presented a machloket tannaim.

He says, actually, in this case, that Amish exempted Rabbi Meir, says you're liable and hakhamim are exempt, and Amish is like hakhamim.

Now, amali Rav Hoshaya leRabba, Rav Hoshaya with a he at the beginning.

Uh, so machloket Rishonim, where there's also Rav Oshaya, who was quoted.

But anyways, he said to Rabba, kiaila l'kamitra Rav Huna bi meina.

When you go to Rav Huna, he's a big talmid hakham, ask him, Rav Meir mechayav lemai.

When this braisa says that Rabbi Meir says you are liable, obli-obligates you, what is that regarding? Ileimu leBechorot.

If you're saying it's regarding the fir-- dinim of firstborn, as I just explained it, that a sheep that looks the daughter of a ki-- goat or a goat, the daughter of a ki-- a sheep that doesn't look like the mother.

Ve'elei le Rabbi Meir ach Bechor shor ad shehu shor of Bechor shor.

But what about Ra-- the, the drasha? We, we already know this from yesterday, that the pasuk says the firstborn of a donkey, the firstborn of a sheep, the firstborn of a goat to teach you that on-- you're only liable when the kid looks like the mother, otherwise you're not liable.

Rabbi Meir doesn't have the drasha.

Ella de'rash ylegeh, um, what you're gonna say is gonna be that's re-referring to the din of she-- the first shearings being given to the Kohen.

But also, ve'elei lei hada tana Rabbi Yishmael kvasim shesaman kashef zeh mimush hageiz sh'neimar migeiz kvasa yitchamam.

But hang on, it's a drasha we saw at the end of Chulin that goats are exempt from British gaze, and also sheeps that have very, very tough wool.

It's not soft, are exempt from British gaze because the pasuk says in Iyov that you warm yourself up from the wool of these sheep, so you only give the Kohen wool that warms you up, i.e. soft wool, not hard wool.

So what is Rabbi Meir talking about? Amali Rabba said, Rav Ashi, nechshein.

Let's look at this.

Hacha b'ma yasikin.

And what's the case in the braisa? Baracha shealumin ez ve'aviv tayesh.

The case in the braisa is we haven't discussed the father yet, so let's analyze who is the father.

The mother's a sheep.

The son, the ki- the kid looks like a goat, and the father also is a type of goat.

So now it actually is a case of Kil'ayim.